Go to Post Of course even though its less than a week until kickoff, dave can still change the rules to make bearhugging me in automode a bonus - Mike Schroeder [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > Competition > Rules/Strategy
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 14-01-2007, 15:16
RichardJames's Avatar
RichardJames RichardJames is offline
Mentor
AKA: Eric
FRC #0296 (Northern Knights (or Northern Ninjas))
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Rookie Year: 2002
Location: Montreal Quebec Canada
Posts: 37
RichardJames will become famous soon enough
Re: Different approach from a rookie player

There is definitely merit in this sort of strategy - effective blocking is always a skill which can change the outcome of a match. Some robots are designed to be the "blocker" bot on a team, the problem is that if two or even three robots oriented towards blocking end up on a team together, you`re in a bad situation. Don`t forget that seeding rank is determined first by number of wins, losses, and ties, and then is further sorted by the number of qualifying points your team has received (aka the average of the losing team`s points scored in all of your seeding matches). Thus, even if a team wins by mostly blocking, they will be usually seeded below a team that wins by mostly scoring.

Anyhow, I think it`s more exciting to score and really play the game then to rely on a winning strategy. In the past my team has always opted for the most fun bot design over the most likely to win design.
__________________
To design a good mechanical system, you have to design something so simple it almost doesn't work, then increase the complexity until it does.
  #2   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 14-01-2007, 15:20
theycallhimtom theycallhimtom is offline
Registered User
AKA: Tom Conerly
FRC #1540 (The Flaming Chickens)
Team Role: College Student
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Rookie Year: 2005
Location: Lake Oswego, Oregon
Posts: 52
theycallhimtom has a spectacular aura abouttheycallhimtom has a spectacular aura abouttheycallhimtom has a spectacular aura about
Send a message via AIM to theycallhimtom Send a message via MSN to theycallhimtom
Re: Different approach from a rookie player

Well the score of the losing team only matters if two teams are tied in terms of wins and losses. So low scoring only hurts you in terms of a tiebreaker.

For the strategy I might use it if there is a really dominant scorer on my team I want to protect but other than that I probably would not bother.
  #3   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 14-01-2007, 15:22
meatmanek meatmanek is offline
Programmer/physicist/mathematician
FRC #0868 (TechHounds)
Team Role: Programmer
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Rookie Year: 2004
Location: Carmel, Indiana
Posts: 142
meatmanek is a splendid one to beholdmeatmanek is a splendid one to beholdmeatmanek is a splendid one to beholdmeatmanek is a splendid one to beholdmeatmanek is a splendid one to beholdmeatmanek is a splendid one to beholdmeatmanek is a splendid one to behold
Re: Different approach from a rookie player

Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardJames View Post
Anyhow, I think it`s more exciting to score and really play the game then to rely on a winning strategy. In the past my team has always opted for the most fun bot design over the most likely to win design.
You know, that sounds like a really good idea.

Anyway, be careful that you don't ram the other robots when you're dashing across the field to get in their way. Maybe ultrasonic rangefinders, etc could be useful.

Actual quote from 2005:
"Ramming in autonomous? That's not even a rule, is it?"
After one of the programmers forgot to take out his test autonomous code,
if (time < 3 seconds) { FULL SPEED AHEAD! }

Yes, 868 programs in English.
  #4   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 14-01-2007, 15:54
Ian Curtis Ian Curtis is offline
Best Available Data
FRC #1778 (Chill Out!)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Rookie Year: 2004
Location: Puget Sound
Posts: 2,521
Ian Curtis has a reputation beyond reputeIan Curtis has a reputation beyond reputeIan Curtis has a reputation beyond reputeIan Curtis has a reputation beyond reputeIan Curtis has a reputation beyond reputeIan Curtis has a reputation beyond reputeIan Curtis has a reputation beyond reputeIan Curtis has a reputation beyond reputeIan Curtis has a reputation beyond reputeIan Curtis has a reputation beyond reputeIan Curtis has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Different approach from a rookie player

Last year's rulebook doesn't differentiate between teleoperated blocking and autonomous blocking. At the driver's meeting in Atlanta we were told that high speed long distance ramming in autonomous would not be penalized unless it occurred within a starting box, as that was the only way they could objectively judge intent. At our regional (BAE) ramming was not called in autonomous. I'm sure this will be clarified in the Q&A.

To the thread starter, I would suggest going back and looking at some of the discussions on this forum that occured last year regarding autonomous. Essentially, blocking last year in autonomous was a very viable strategy, as there was a wide open field. In Atlanta with the Championship title on the line the alliance led by 25 (one of the most talked about robots), decided to go completely defensive and keep the alliance led by 296 from scoring. Unfortuneatly those pesky CMUcams did their jobs, and 296 and company still scored.

Also, autonomous scoring may be difficult this year, or it may be easy, we simply don't know yet. If it is relatively easy, a high seed will most likely be searching for a more defensive robot for his/her second pick. Reason being the serpentine draft tends to get rid of the most effective scorers before the they get to pick again. So a decent scorer with above averasge defensive abilitilites may be a decent bet at getting picked during the second round. We'll see come March...
__________________
CHILL OUT! | Aero Stability & Control Engineer
Adam Savage's Obsessions (TED Talk) (Part 2)
It is much easier to call someone else a genius than admit to yourself that you are lazy. - Dave Gingery
Closed Thread


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Help from a CS:S player Josh Goodman Chit-Chat 1 12-12-2006 00:24
afterthoughts from a rookie gondorf General Forum 14 16-05-2006 08:09
Thanks from a 2006 Pre-Rookie Dan Zollman Thanks and/or Congrats 2 15-05-2005 18:10
[ECDU]: more people from different teams Michael Leicht FIRST-related Organizations 4 21-07-2004 20:46
Looking from a different point at "Fixing" punarhero General Forum 27 18-03-2003 18:41


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:10.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi