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View Poll Results: When do you think it's a good time putting out a spoiler?
Begging of Match 8 6.56%
Middle Of Match 16 13.11%
Last 30 seconds of Match 80 65.57%
Don't Know 18 14.75%
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Re: When are you placing your spoilers? (Poll)

I don't think the spoilers will see much action until the last minute-30 seconds. Placing a spoiler at any time before that mark just wouldn't be the best idea. When you have a lot of time the best thing to do is to get (your color) ringers onto the spiderlegs. This way by the end of the game you have a lot of spider legs "controled." The spoilers can always be taken off so I suspect that spoiler playing is going to be reserved for endgame.
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Re: When are you placing your spoilers? (Poll)

I think they might come out during the middle espically the teams who are trying to get the extra 15-30 points at the end!
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Re: When are you placing your spoilers? (Poll)

That's true, but if you put out the spoilers at the end and ruin their chance of getting high scores, to react they would have to drop others off, losing valueable points, while we're stacking up to get bonus points!
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Re: When are you placing your spoilers? (Poll)

Yeah Thats true and would work for the teams who are going for the points but what about the alliances that can't do that would you have a different stragergy?
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Re: When are you placing your spoilers? (Poll)

My tactic would to place it at the beginning of the match only if you are ahead in points. The idea is to place the spoilers and then cover then with a ringer, so that the spoiler cannot be removed. That assures that your opponent cannot use the spoilers at the end of the match to break up your rows and columns which you worked so hard to score and defend. Remember, if your ringer is over a spoiler not only can the spoiler not be removed, the ringer on top counts for points. Spoilers are your friend if you're losing but your enemy if you're winning.
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Re: When are you placing your spoilers? (Poll)

That is very true and a good idea but that would be a waste of a spoiler isn't it?
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Re: When are you placing your spoilers? (Poll)

Yes, but it still prevents your enemy from using it. And unless I have read the rules wrong, it seems to me that if you need the spoiler, you can take your ringer off, move the spoiler to a better position, and replace the ringer.
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Re: When are you placing your spoilers? (Poll)

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Yes, but it still prevents your enemy from using it. And unless I have read the rules wrong, it seems to me that if you need the spoiler, you can take your ringer off, move the spoiler to a better position, and replace the ringer.
Reread them. You're descoring a ringer (not sure if doing it to yourself is a penalty, but opponents would get the penalty if they did it).
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Re: When are you placing your spoilers? (Poll)

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Yes, but it still prevents your enemy from using it. And unless I have read the rules wrong, it seems to me that if you need the spoiler, you can take your ringer off, move the spoiler to a better position, and replace the ringer.
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Reread them. You're descoring a ringer (not sure if doing it to yourself is a penalty, but opponents would get the penalty if they did it).
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<G20> De-scoring - ROBOTS may not remove RINGERS or KEEPERS once they are HANGING. If a RINGER or KEEPER is moved out of a HANGING configuration after the POSSESSING ROBOT has released it, it is still considered HANGING. If a ROBOT incidentally removes a RINGER or KEEPER from the SPIDER LEG on which it was HANGING (e.g. knocks it off while placing another GAME PIECE), a 10-point penalty will be assessed. Obviously intentional removal of a RINGER or KEEPER will result in a disqualification of the offending
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You cannot intentionally remove a ringer or keeper. Doing so will result in the disqualification of your team.
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My tactic would to place it at the beginning of the match only if you are ahead in points. The idea is to place the spoilers and then cover then with a ringer, so that the spoiler cannot be removed. That assures that your opponent cannot use the spoilers at the end of the match to break up your rows and columns which you worked so hard to score and defend. Remember, if your ringer is over a spoiler not only can the spoiler not be removed, the ringer on top counts for points. Spoilers are your friend if you're losing but your enemy if you're winning.
At best you could garuntee yourself 2 ringers, it seems you would be better off leaving your spoilers off the field and instead scoring more ringers.

My opinion is that it doesn't makes sense to use them any time other than the end, how can you strategically break up the other alliances rows if they haven't had time to score them?
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Re: When are you placing your spoilers? (Poll)

It depends on your robot, if your robot can lift teammates up at the end then go for the extra 15 points but at the end of the game or the last 15 seconds anyways teams arn't alould to go to their opponets homebase side, I read.... So you can't intefere with the lifting the robot up part so it'll be hard to put a spoiler on if the opposite side your not alould to go on!!!!
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Re: When are you placing your spoilers? (Poll)

But you can get any on your side!
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Re: When are you placing your spoilers? (Poll)

I have a question for all of you that reply with you will be puttin spoilers in the last 30 seconds.

Will you guys be trying to get back to the homezone and lifted? Are you gong to be playing defense?
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Re: When are you placing your spoilers? (Poll)

One thing for Defense in the Rules they state in the lats 15 seconds you are not alould to go to opponet's homezone, so you really couldn't play defense in the last 30 seconds and for the lifting part some teams might go for the extra 15, 30 points or the team might place Spoilers you'll never know till compitition.
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Re: When are you placing your spoilers? (Poll)

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One thing for Defense in the Rules they state in the lats 15 seconds you are not alould to go to opponet's homezone, so you really couldn't play defense in the last 30 seconds and for the lifting part some teams might go for the extra 15, 30 points or the team might place Spoilers you'll never know till compitition.
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END GAME - The final 15 seconds of the TELEOPERATED PERIOD is called the END GAME. During this period, no ROBOT may be in an opposing ALLIANCE HOME ZONE. The intent of this period is to permit ALLIANCES to attempt to score bonus points without
undue interference. An audio signal will sound five seconds before the start of the END GAME period, and again at the start of the END GAME period.
Since the Home zone is defined as the 8 feet from the alliance wall outwards, you still have the distance from the Home zone to the rack, on the opposing Alliance side, to play defense. You wouldn't be in the home zone

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I suggest strategic placing of ringers that does not allow rows larger than 3 or 4. Even if this means scoring in diagonals, it will take Spoiler strategies out of the equation.
If you take a look at <G54> you can only score in a horizontal or vertical direction. So you wouldnt be able to make a row in a diagonal direction.


I think that if you are a ramp bot, you shouldn't worry about the spoliers, the ramp bots' sole purpose should be to return to the home zone in the last 30 seconds of the game, clear an area to deploy...and deploy or get ready to lift. The job of placing the spoliers should belong to the other two robots. Spoliers should be placed when there is 30 seconds left in the game. and when there is 10 seconds left, abandon what you are doing and get on the ramp. if you are being lifted, probably should start heading back sooner.
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