How the heck do you use an XBOX360 controller with the chicklet??

[dcbrown]

Hooked up the chicklet to a shark xbox 360 controller - no joy in that it doesn't recognize it. Plugged in a microsoft xbox 360 and things were fine. The controls are touchy and the older 360 controller often didn't return to exactly neutral when released. Possibly a new one will have less issues. Our OI programmer is looking at doing some averaging/filtering to removes some of the glitches but other than that it seem to work ok. There certainly aren't as many steps in the output as there are with the larger joysticks. Didn't capture the data but I'll see if the OI programmer will do that and post the results. Seems to me that there were maybe 14-16 steps from neutral to full on which is at least a factor of 4x less than the full size joystick we used last year. Then again the driver probably used the first few steps for slow movement and then full on so its not like they actually USE all 64-80 steps available.

[Mike Copioli]

Originally Posted by dcbrown

Hooked up the chicklet to a shark xbox 360 controller - no joy in that it doesn't recognize it.

That device is not supported. Please see the list of supported devices in the user manual.

Originally Posted by dcbrown

The controls are touchy and the older 360 controller often didn't return to exactly neutral when released. Possibly a new one will have less issues.

No it won't. The X-box/360 controller is not the best selection for a gamepad. I suggest the Logitech. See my other posts on this subject.

Originally Posted by dcbrown

There certainly aren't as many steps in the output as there are with the larger joysticks. Seems to me that there were maybe 14-16 steps from neutral to full on which is at least a factor of 4x less than the full size joystick we used last year.

This is not the case. The chicklet has the same range as the analog joysticks. It has 127 steps in each direction. What you are probably experiencing is the sensitivity of the analog axes. Since a gamepads mechanical travel is over a shorter distance, it is more sensitive to input.

[Mike Mahar]

Originally Posted by Mike Copioli

That device is not supported. Please see the list of supported devices in the user manual.

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I don't know much about game controllers. Does a 3rd party Xbox360 look different from a Microsoft Xbox360 controller? We have a Gamestop Xbox360 controller and the chicklet doesn't seem to recognize it.

[Mike Copioli]

Originally Posted by Mike Mahar

I don't know much about game controllers. Does a 3rd party Xbox360 look different from a Microsoft Xbox360 controller? We have a Gamestop Xbox360 controller and the chicklet doesn't seem to recognize it.

The Chicklet will only recognize a Microsoft brand X-box 360 controller. If you reference the user manual, under supported devices, the device manufacturer and name must match the table of supported devices exactly. After market and older versions of devices may not be supported. Basically if you buy an OTS microsoft X-box 360 controller you should not have any issues.

[Mike Mahar]

Originally Posted by Mike Copioli

The Chicklet will only recognize a Microsoft brand X-box 360 controller. If you reference the user manual, under supported devices, the device manufacturer and name must match the table of supported devices exactly. After market and older versions of devices may not be supported. Basically if you buy an OTS microsoft X-box 360 controller you should not have any issues.

Thanks, Mike, for clarifying that. It might be a good idea to put a note in the User Manual that says the manufacturer has to match exactly. Also, you state the manufacturer for all of the other controllers but you just state Xbox and Xbox360 for the Microsoft controllers.

Since I didn't know anything about game controllers before this, I assumed that Xbox360 meant "or compatible". Oh, well, live and learn. I guess I'll go get the Ligiteck game pad and use that.

[John Gutmann]

Get a halo god to drive your robot. They are pros with the controllers....Have you every actually played halo on level 10 sensitivity on tiny tap moves the sights across the screen.

But then again scaling is probally easier then Halo bootcamp.

[Mike Copioli]

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Originally Posted by Mike Mahar

Also, you state the manufacturer for all of the other controllers but you just state Xbox and Xbox360 for the Microsoft controllers.

Uhhhhh? hu? I want you to think about that last statement. The key word is MICROSOFT. You do realize that Microsoft is a manufacturer? I dont mean to sound sarcastic. But I find it funny that you mention the manufacturer in a sentence questioning why we don't state the manufacturer.

Anyway I got a good laugh. You are right we do need to emphasize that it has to be the exact manufacturer. We will update this.

[Mike Mahar]

Originally Posted by Mike Copioli

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Originally Posted by Mike Mahar View Post
Also, you state the manufacturer for all of the other controllers but you just state Xbox and Xbox360 for the Microsoft controllers.

Uhhhhh? hu? I want you to think about that last statement. The key word is MICROSOFT. You do realize that Microsoft is a manufacturer? I dont mean to sound sarcastic. But I find it funny that you mention the manufacturer in a sentence questioning why we don't state the manufacturer.

Anyway I got a good laugh. You are right we do need to emphasize that it has to be the exact manufacturer. We will update this.
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Well, by the time I wrote that sentence, I did know that it had to be the exact manufacturer. Perhaps I should have said: " Also, you state the manufacturer for all of the other controllers but you just state Xbox and Xbox360 for those controllers and assume that everyone would know that they must come from Microsoft." That was the sense of what I was trying to say.

PC controllers seem to come with their own drivers so it is logical to assume that each manufacturer is going to be different in some way. The makers of 3rd party Xbox360 controllers would be motivated to make their controllers behave exactly like the Microsoft versions. Or, at least I assumed that they would. But, being USB devices they would have different vender IDs and product IDs. So, in retrospect, it is not surprising that your device would rely on this, or other, informaiton to configure itself and not support 3rd party controllers.

[Mike Copioli]

Originally Posted by Mike Mahar

Well, by the time I wrote that sentence, I did know that it had to be the exact manufacturer. Perhaps I should have said: " Also, you state the manufacturer for all of the other controllers but you just state Xbox and Xbox360 for those controllers and assume that everyone would know that they must come from Microsoft." That was the sense of what I was trying to say.

PC controllers seem to come with their own drivers so it is logical to assume that each manufacturer is going to be different in some way. The makers of 3rd party Xbox360 controllers would be motivated to make their controllers behave exactly like the Microsoft versions. Or, at least I assumed that they would. But, being USB devices they would have different vender IDs and product IDs. So, in retrospect, it is not surprising that your device would rely on this, or other, informaiton to configure itself and not support 3rd party controllers.

I apologize if I seemed to brash. Actually I checked the user manual and you are correct it does have the manufacturer listed for everything except Microsoft. It's the IFI web sight that states the manufacturer for the X-box and 360. And yes you are also correct in your statement about PIDs. Each company has there own VID and PID. We use the PID for recognition purposes. The Chicklet will try to connect to ANY HID device (red orange red orange) but it will not load the drivers if it does not see the PID. If there is still a need for the Chicklet next year we will be releasing a version that will connect to almost any HID device and the chicklet will use the device descripter to create drivers that are unique to each device.

[Trav-O]

we definitley are storing our chicklet in an altoids box lined with that pink foam stuff...

this cant damage it, will it?


ATTACK 3 = PWNAGE!!!!

[65_Xero_Huskie]

Originally Posted by dcbrown

The controls are touchy and the older 360 controller often didn't return to exactly neutral when released. Possibly a new one will have less issues.

Same happened when we did it, but you can always put a deadband in there somewhere. And i agree with Mike that it should not be your number 1 option for driving the robot.

[dcbrown]

Not my choice, its student and driver choice. I'm just making the options available for them to choose from. Personally I'd never use the chicklet/controller combo but it isn't my choice and I really don't care what decision they make as long as it works for them.

Everyone is saying Xbox 360 controller - it must be a Microsoft Xbox 360 controller. I tried the game shark one, which works fine on an xbox 360 and is an xbox 360 controller, on the chicklet just to prove it had to be a microsoft one. I expect the inquiry or whatever string back from the device is being used to differentiate between supported/non-supported.

The joystick movement on the controller had a repeated jump of 4 -> 16 -> 24 -> ... with nothing inbetween. This is not the chicklet's problem obviously. However, of the three people who tried, none of us with the controller we had could hit anything between 4/16/24 stops no matter how much we tried or how slow we worked.

So far, the student have xbox 360 controllers for the team to try. No one has or has volunteered yet to bring in a Logitech gamepad device to try out.

[Mike Copioli]

Originally Posted by dcbrown

The joystick movement on the controller had a repeated jump of 4 -> 16 -> 24 -> ... with nothing inbetween.

Well the repetitive values could be coincidence, it's probably your controller. Think about this.

The joys on the controller have about 1 inch of travel from the tallest point. the total range is about 254 (+ or - 127) 1"/254 = .004" per data tick.

Value Inches of movement

4 .016"

16 .064"

24 .096"

No human can possibly make movements that precise.

You should try some of the joysticks that are supported. The Logitech attack 3 is very smooth, and provides greater physical resistance against movement.