Field Resetters Choosing Auto Outcome

[Liz Smith]

Well, i don't think that any of the volunteers would do something like that.

Oh yeah, and by match 3 of the finals, the field resetters will be too tired after running around for 3 days straight to think that hard (more or less move).

[fluffy]

Originally Posted by Pika1579

Well, i don't think that any of the volunteers would do something like that.

Oh yeah, and by match 3 of the finals, the field resetters will be too tired after running around for 3 days straight to think that hard (more or less move).

after volunteering on field reset 2 years ago, i would have to fully agree, if only everyone had a chance to experience it...

[Kims Robot]

While there are definitely some volunteers that care about teams on the field, and this is a very interesting thought.

But I have to agree with the "tired" idea... and not only tired, many of the volunteers have very specific jobs and it takes all your effort to do that job... letalone have time to figure out which teams are good at what. So I doubt anyone would be able to really affect the outcome that much.

[artdutra04]

[Inside joke]
Yeah, I don't think we have to worry about field resetters.

They're always too busy text messaging people to actually pay attention to the match.


Some of the best advice I've ever texted to someone: "Friends don't let friends text message while field resetting!"
[/Inside joke]

Okay, now that I've had my fun in this post, I'm not worried about volunteers "throwing" the competition. Not in the least bit.

Kim stated it perfect, and I don't think I can add much onto that.

[Bongle]

You could say this about any human aspect, including those that have been around from previous years:

What if the refs favour one team over another?
What if the inspectors go easy on 'their' team's inspection?

Also, I don't see how you could make a dead-reckoning mode work.

[Taylor]

The field resetter's choice is simple. Let the other 3 resetters take the lead on setting the rack. (S)He's got a 50% chance of Team X scoring, and would take those odds.
Furthermore, half of GP is rooting for the other teams. Last year, if Redabot unloaded a dozen balls in rapid succession into the high goal, the entire audience cheered - not just Redabot's alliance. I think similar conduct would be proper for this year's auto mode.

[Daniel_LaFleur]

In any human endevor there is the possibility of favoritism. We, as humans, are bias because of the paradiams we have built. It is only our integrity and honor (Gracious professionalism) that allows us to judge fairly.

I will tell you that when I have judged those that I am affiliated with (note: not in FIRST) I am typically more critical of them, than if I did not know the person. This is because i want to avoid even the appearance of impropriaty.

My personal experiances in FIRST tend to be that the inspectors / referees / Volunteers are of the highest moral character, and that I would never expect any of them to purposely favor any team, on the field, over another.

[Elgin Clock]

The last time something was reset right before a match was in 2005 when the tetras were randomly placed on the field.

And by random, it was done with 2 dice and the numbered postions 1-6 applied to the tetras. Roll the dice, and get 2 different numbers, and that was your placement.

I'm sure the fear of this whole thread will be alleviated when a random placement selector of some sorts is used this year to decide the position of the rack which the resetters won't question when resetting the field and be able to "put it where they want".

And if FIRST hasn't thought of that already, I'm sure they will now.

Also, as a previous and future field resetter I'm kind of dissapointed in the lack of confidence and GP you are implementing on our parts...

[Billfred]

Originally Posted by Elgin Clock

The last time something was reset right before a match was in 2003 when the tetras were randomly placed on the field.

And by random, it was done with 2 dice and the numbered postions 1-6 applied to the tetras. Roll the dice, and get 2 different numbers, and that was your placement.

[offtopic]Actually, it was 2005, and the scoring software dished out two random numbers (one of the few parts of the Hatch software that seemed to work flawlessly), which one of the RTS folks would hold up for the reset crew to place.[/offtopic]

As for the topic, I'm not worried--I don't think anyone with any sort of affiliation would intentionally put themselves in that position. I believe it was Andy Baker who said it best--do what people wouldn't talk about when you win the Championship.

[Rob]

Originally Posted by Elgin Clock

Also, as a previous and future field resetter I'm kind of dissapointed in the lack of confidence and GP you are implementing on our parts...

I'm sorry that you interpreted it this way, the intention of this thread was to generate discussion and not to "call out" anyone who may be volunteering.

The responses to this thread should instill confidence that those who are involved in FIRST know how to conduct themselves. I don't think that the scenario I posted will happen, but I think it is worth discussing.

RAZ

[Elgin Clock]

Originally Posted by Rob

I'm sorry that you interpreted it this way, the intention of this thread was to generate discussion and not to "call out" anyone who may be volunteering.

The responses to this thread should instill confidence that those who are involved in FIRST know how to conduct themselves. I don't think that the scenario I posted will happen, but I think it is worth discussing.

RAZ

Totally understandable. No hard feelings at all.

[Godzilla!]

When I watched the kickoff I think I remember a statement being made which said that the rack can be moved and would be moved before each match starts. I thought I saw Aiden Brown (Head Ref) move the rack so my belief (maybe wrongly) is that the Head Ref will at least give each spider a nudge immediately before the match starts.

G07 states "Center RACK position - After all six ROBOTS are in their starting positions and the DRIVERS, COACHES and HUMAN PLAYERS are in the ALLIANCE ZONE, the RACK will be moved (translated and/or rotated) to an arbitrary position so that the center of the RACK is within a 3 foot radius of the playing field center but the exact location and orientation of the RACK is unpredictable. After this point in time no ROBOT may be moved or repositioned until the match starts." I will be applying this rule.

Given the above rule, If a team is expecting to be able to dead reckon the rack for autonomious then they have choosen unwisely. If any question arises about the field conditions or otherwise, I would hope that those concerns be brought up to the Head Ref when appropriate (my memory fades quickly after handing in the score sheet so the sooner the better)

Ron