light up fan

[Dremel Drew]

Is it in regulation to use a LED light up computer fan? The fan lights up blue. So is it permitted? Thanks in advance for your help.

[billbo911]

Originally Posted by Dremel Drew

Is it in regulation to use a LED light up computer fan? The fan lights up blue. So is it permitted? Thanks in advance for your help.

Your best bet is to ask the Q&A team that question. They have already said no to this question in regards to replaceing a Victor fan with a lit one. But, that was because the fan on a Victor is considered an integral part of the device.

[Al Skierkiewicz]

Drew,
Without seeing the color of the light or the way the fan is mounted in your robot it will be difficult to give you advice. A regular fan on the robot in addition to those mounted on the Speed controllers is allowed under the rules. The light and how it might effect vision systems on other robots would be the question. Inspectors and judges at the event you attend will rule on this critical issue. If you think it might be a problem be prepared for removing it or disabling the light.

[Cuog]

It is quite likely that you can use it(see above for exception). You shouldn't have problems using it as a fan though since it is just leds on a standard clear fan. But Q&A is by far the best thing to check just in case. Just cause "Someone on CD" said it doesn't mean it will pass inspection.

[Mike Betts]

Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz

Drew,
Without seeing the color of the light or the way the fan is mounted in your robot it will be difficult to give you advice. A regular fan on the robot in addition to those mounted on the Speed controllers is allowed under the rules. The light and how it might effect vision systems on other robots would be the question. Inspectors and judges at the event you attend will rule on this critical issue. If you think it might be a problem be prepared for removing it or disabling the light.

Al,

Can you point me to where this is allowed? I see a large muffin fan in the KOP but do not see any allowances for additional fans from outside of the KOP.

Mike

[Compnerd]

You said the fan led is blue. That could be an issue, because there is the BLUE Alliance, and FIRST could say that it could be a possible distraction... I am not sure check the Q&A

[Al Skierkiewicz]

Mike,
The Tips and Guidelines make several references to fans and their use. The robot section makes reference to additional components...
<R47> Additional electronic components for use on the ROBOT must be either COTS items, or
assembled from COTS items. Additional electronic components include any object that
intentionally conducts electricity, other than IFI relays and speed controllers, wires,
connectors, solder, and fabricated printed circuit boards.
So as such fans are considered a COTS item and following the flowchart I found no prohibitions.
Do you think they would be prohibited?

[Tristan Lall]

Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz

Mike,
The Tips and Guidelines make several references to fans and their use. The robot section makes reference to additional components...
<R47> Additional electronic components for use on the ROBOT must be either COTS items, or
assembled from COTS items. Additional electronic components include any object that
intentionally conducts electricity, other than IFI relays and speed controllers, wires,
connectors, solder, and fabricated printed circuit boards.
So as such fans are considered a COTS item and following the flowchart I found no prohibitions.

Judging by that Q&A response concerning hard drives, which stated that they are illegal because they contain a non-KOP motor, it would seem that (apart from the two types of fan in the KOP*), no others are permitted (because they contain non-KOP motors).

Now, traditionally, nobody has really considered the fans to be motors. Indeed, rules like <R91> indicate that motors should be connected to Spikes or Victors, yet historically, fans were allowed to be connected directly to the breakers, and this interpretation is backed up by the current power distribution diagram.

In conventional usage, the fan and the hard drive use their motors for pretty much the same thing—controlling their own motion, rather than the motion of another robot part, yet the hard drive is prohibited. Take it to the Q&A, and see how they balance the competing precedents.

Originally Posted by Compnerd

You said the fan led is blue. That could be an issue, because there is the BLUE Alliance, and FIRST could say that it could be a possible distraction... I am not sure check the Q&A

I wouldn't worry about that. FIRST isn't using lights to denote alliance. Avoid green, obviously.

*There's maybe an argument to be made for replacing a kit fan with a COTS fan containing an identical motor (since the motor is a duplicate of a part of a kit item). Ignoring for a moment the question of whether the entire fan is considered a motor (and thus largely unmodifiable), I'd figure that the burden of proof lies with the team to prove that the motor is a clone of the KOP unit—without disassembly of the fan, this is rather difficult, probably to the point of being impractical. Also, since the Q&A considers the Victor fans to be integral parts of the Victor (this is highly debatable, because the Victor could also be viewed as an assembly, but that's the current ruling), their fans would not be considered KOP parts on their own.

[Compnerd]

Originally Posted by Tristan Lall

I wouldn't worry about that. FIRST isn't using lights to denote alliance. Avoid green, obviously.

Isn't there a flashing light on the robot with the team color?

[neo]

nope, just the signal light. the flags denote team color.