2007 VCU Regional

[blakwyte]

i think that for the ringers to really be useful we're going to have to see alot more of what 116 was putting up ... 7 ringers in a row is nothing to laugh at.

but with the heavy defence that was played ever since that match, 116 didn't have a chance to put up those kinds of numbers no matter how hard they tried. 116 was paired with 122 in every match, and 122 was an aggressive, motivated defensive team. they pushed the envelope quite a bit (they were the only team i saw with a yellow flag) but they sure kept 116 from putting up those rings. if a team can accomplish more with defence than they can with spoilers, even against the most versatile and highest scoring robot in the competition (besides maybe 1610 and 540), then i don't see any reason why spoilers will be used at all in atlanta.

the match where epsilon delta put up those 7 ringers was really a turning point in the game. after that match everyone's mindset did a 180 from offence, and putting up rings, to defence and ramping up. 116 was seeded first up until that match, but afterwards they quickly dropped, and our friends from 620 went straight to the top. the other ramp teams also did astronomically better after this match, 2108 went straight to the finals as did 623. admittedly we also saw 540 and 1610 at the finals but they never would have made it without the aggressive counter defence and awesome ramping capabilities of the ohmies and awkward turtle.

i think this game is going to be even more defensive in georgia, and that ramp bots are going to be dominating the qualifiers from now on. awkward turtle's ramps are definitely going to be doing virginia proud in atlanta.

[kjohnson]

Originally Posted by blakwyte

but with the heavy defence that was played ever since that match, 116 didn't have a chance to put up those kinds of numbers no matter how hard they tried. 116 was paired with 122 in every match, and 122 was an aggressive, motivated defensive team. they pushed the envelope quite a bit (they were the only team i saw with a yellow flag)

414 also received a yellow flag. They were the short 6 wheel drive bot with a wide wheelbase that played nothing but hard defense.

[AHS1599]

Originally Posted by blakwyte

i think this game is going to be even more defensive in georgia, and that ramp bots are going to be dominating the qualifiers from now on. awkward turtle's ramps are definitely going to be doing virginia proud in atlanta.

Awkward Turtle is from North Carolina...

[kjohnson]

I just finished loading all my pictures from VCU:
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[blakwyte]

Originally Posted by AHS1599

Awkward Turtle is from North Carolina...

lol ... go me at least 540's from virginia though ... and they are technically from the virginia regional area, since there's not really a regional closer to them

[blakwyte]

Originally Posted by nukemknight

414 also received a yellow flag. They were the short 6 wheel drive bot with a wide wheelbase that played nothing but hard defense.

yeah i remember them ... i don't see why they built that thing if all they were going to do was hit people with it. not exactly the spirit of FIRST imho

[SURVIVORfan44]

Originally Posted by blakwyte

yeah i remember them ... i don't see why they built that thing if all they were going to do was hit people with it. not exactly the spirit of FIRST imho

That's one of the realizations one must come to in FIRST. There are some teams that build their robots strictly for defense. Last year, there was a team that only had a suction cup and they would attatch themselves to the opposing alliance and pull of pieces of their robot. (if possible)

The refs did not like this and the suction cup had to be taken off.

[Nuttyman54]

Originally Posted by SURVIVORfan44

That's one of the realizations one must come to in FIRST. There are some teams that build their robots strictly for defense.

There are also plenty of teams whose robots either don't work quite how they intended, or who find that they're much more valuable as defense (eg. 1281 at Waterloo last year).

[Cuog]

414 from what I can remember was built to be a scoring robot but because of weight they cut out these systems and so they were left with the strong defensive bot that they had at VCU.

[blakwyte]

Originally Posted by Cuog

414 from what I can remember was built to be a scoring robot but because of weight they cut out these systems and so they were left with the strong defensive bot that they had at VCU.

900 did the same thing. they were playing with ramps and a scoring mechanism thursday but they ended up having to pull everything off to fit in under weight. this is much more understandable than building a purely defensive/potentially damaging robot. i don't understand how that is educational, rewarding or even enjoyable. you don't build anything that complicated, you don't score points and you don't really even have a chance to succeed. maybe they have fun ripping apart other people's hard work?

[burkey_turkey]

Originally Posted by nukemknight

414 also received a yellow flag. They were the short 6 wheel drive bot with a wide wheelbase that played nothing but hard defense.

Originally Posted by blakwyte

yeah i remember them ... i don't see why they built that thing if all they were going to do was hit people with it. not exactly the spirit of FIRST imho

team 422 noticed that they were a defensive bot, as we were paired against them EVERY SINGLE MATCH. we were the target of their defense every single match as well, and since we were never paired with another strong offensive robot our alliances never got any rigners placed. i dont think 414 went too far though, they wre just playing the game. they were next to us in the pit, loaning us stuff and we them. they apologized for constantly smashing our robot, and we admited we would do the same thing in their position. after they got their yellow flag, we scored a few ringers the next match but had no ramps to climb up so we lost, and from them on we got smashed by different teams in our 7th and 8th matches.

[cziggy343]

So just tell me, preferably in under 35 words, what you thought of the regional (if you attended), and give me your team's number and name. If you would give me your first and last name too that would be nice.
"I thought that at the VCU Regional that the level of competition wasnt as high as I thought it would be, until the elimination rounds. Then those teams showed how it was supposed to be played."

btw, can anyone tell me how to start a thread? thanks!

Hope thats good enough!
cyall at Palmetto!
(thanks 2068 and 612, it was a good run)

[Azure]

Originally Posted by cziggy343

So just tell me, preferably in under 35 words, what you thought of the regional (if you attended), and give me your team's number and name. If you would give me your first and last name too that would be nice.

"I thought that at the VCU Regional that the level of competition wasnt as high as I thought it would be, until the elimination rounds. Then those teams showed how it was supposed to be played."


Hope thats good enough!
cyall at Palmetto!
(thanks 2068 and 612, it was a good run)

Thanks for the quote. Some quotes from other people would be nice. (^_^)

I totally agree with you. My team, along with 1885 and 435, lost in the quarter-finals to 343's alliance. At the end of Friday 116 was ranked #1, and if we had stayed in the top we would've chosen 343 for our first round pick. As it was we got 1885, a team we liked and worked well with.

[aksimhal]

Hi,

Does anyone have any video's of the matches at VCU?

[Craig1989]

Originally Posted by SURVIVORfan44

That's one of the realizations one must come to in FIRST. There are some teams that build their robots strictly for defense. Last year, there was a team that only had a suction cup and they would attatch themselves to the opposing alliance and pull of pieces of their robot. (if possible)

The refs did not like this and the suction cup had to be taken off.

Incorrect, the suction cup was 100% as by refs, inspectors and GDC, it was not removed. Secondly it was not designed to pull of pieces of robots nor did it ever do that. I don't mean to hijack this topic but I had to correct your post. For more info try:
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...224#post466224