Has a hybrid won yet?

[chaoticprout]

Hey guys, been reading up on the Week 1 competitions, I was wondering if any arm/ramp hybrids have won yet. Thanks.

[Chris Marra]

Although I am uncertain about alliance leaders which are hybrids, at NJ team 1302 was the second pick in the alliance with 25 and 103 that won the regional. They had both a 12" ramp for one (maybe two?) robot, and an effective capper.

[AdamHeard]

Originally Posted by Chris Marra

Although I am uncertain about alliance leaders which are hybrids, at NJ team 1302 was the second pick in the alliance with 25 and 103 that won the regional. They had both a 12" ramp for one (maybe two?) robot, and an effective capper.

Did they use the ramps to win? How many tubes did they score?

I don't remember exactly, but didn't 25 win the finals with tubes alone?

[Ed Coleman]

Team 829 that I am a mentor for has a hybrid bot and won the St. Louis regional. However we decided to go defense and ramp rather than score due to our alliance having better arms than us.

[Schnabel]

Originally Posted by Ed Coleman

Team 829 that I am a mentor for has a hybrid bot and won the St. Louis regional. However we decided to go defense and ramp rather than score due to our alliance having better arms than us.

Yes, and you guys were amazing!

[Richard Wallace]

I guess I just don't understand the question. Has a hybrid won yet?

Has any robot or team won yet? I say no. Alliances win regionals, not robots or teams. Should we say 1444 won the St. Louis regional because they were the captain of the winning alliance? Should we say 45 won it because they were the 'senior' team on the winning alliance? Should we say the Digital Goats won it because they enabled both of their alliance partners to score 30 bonus points in F2, and also defended the rack against the amazing onslaught of 148 and 217?

None of the above. 1444 / 45 / 829 won the 2007 St. Louis Regional. One of them happened to be a hybrid. I think we'll see similar winning alliances several times as the 2007 season progresses.

I'll be really surprised if an alliance without a ramp wins any 2007 regional event.

[1596guy]

Being a hybrid brings up a lot of questions. Since we have our first (and only regional, sadly) on Thursday, we've been bantering about hybrid strategy almost nonstop. However, since our ramp was an underweight afterthought, we'll focus on capping.

[Rich Ross]

hybrids have won as part of an alliance, but given the recent slew of pictures, i think the question that will answer yours is:

Has the Great Lakes Regional happened yet?

(now, more than ever, i am convinced that Michigan one of the top states for FIRST, both in quality and quantity)

[chaoticprout]

Originally Posted by Richard

I guess I just don't understand the question. Has a hybrid won yet?

Has any robot or team won yet? I say no. Alliances win regionals, not robots or teams. Should we say 1444 won the St. Louis regional because they were the captain of the winning alliance? Should we say 45 won it because they were the 'senior' team on the winning alliance? Should we say the Digital Goats won it because they enabled both of their alliance partners to score 30 bonus points in F2, and also defended the rack against the amazing onslaught of 148 and 217?

None of the above. 1444 / 45 / 829 won the 2007 St. Louis Regional. One of them happened to be a hybrid. I think we'll see similar winning alliances several times as the 2007 season progresses.

I'll be really surprised if an alliance without a ramp wins any 2007 regional event.

What I meant when I made the thread, which should have been explained in the first post, is that most/all hybrids that I've seen have been mediocre when trying to do both scoring and ramping/lifting. I was wondering If a team had won a hybrid while doing both functions with their alliance.

~Michael

[nparikh]

Originally Posted by Richard

I guess I just don't understand the question. Has a hybrid won yet?

Has any robot or team won yet? I say no. Alliances win regionals, not robots or teams. Should we say 1444 won the St. Louis regional because they were the captain of the winning alliance? Should we say 45 won it because they were the 'senior' team on the winning alliance? Should we say the Digital Goats won it because they enabled both of their alliance partners to score 30 bonus points in F2, and also defended the rack against the amazing onslaught of 148 and 217?

None of the above. 1444 / 45 / 829 won the 2007 St. Louis Regional. One of them happened to be a hybrid. I think we'll see similar winning alliances several times as the 2007 season progresses.

I'll be really surprised if an alliance without a ramp wins any 2007 regional event.

Why? If you have 3 effective cappers and can put up rows of 7/8 you've already beat anything a ramp could give you.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by nparikh

Why? If you have 3 effective cappers and can put up rows of 7/8 you've already beat anything a ramp could give you.

Row of 8=256 points
Row of 8-1 spoiler=row of 7=128 points
Row of 8-2 spoilers=2 rows of 3=16 points
Additionally, you have to place 8 tubes before the opponents can place a single on that level. While that might be possible on occasion, I wouldn't rely on it to win a regional.

[d.courtney]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

Row of 8=256 points
Row of 8-1 spoiler=row of 7=128 points
Row of 8-2 spoilers=2 rows of 3=16 points
Additionally, you have to place 8 tubes before the opponents can place a single on that level. While that might be possible on occasion, I wouldn't rely on it to win a regional.

I highly doubt a row of 8 with a spoiler on it... the way I see it, if you have a row of 8 play defense like mad if a robot has a spoiler have two robots on them.... secondly if you can't stop a row of 8 before it happens, by placing a ringer of your own on, chances are you ain't stopping it after it happens... I agree that it likely wont win Regionals, and if it does, it will be few times and far between, but by Championships I suspect that there will be enough refined scoring robots that the double ramp isn't so much the "guaranteed win".

[Jonathan Norris]

I would highly doubt that an alliance with only three offensive bots and no ramps will win a regional. From what I saw at BAE, ramps are EVERYTHING in the elimination rounds. I would be comfortable in an alliance of three strong defensive bots with one of them being a strong ramp bot. Sure it would be an ugly way of winning, but three bots playing defense can shut down an opponent (have a look at qf4m3 at BAE...).

I now believe that a strong alliance would be three bots with very good drive systems who can all play D, sure there has to be some offensive capabilities, but defense can be huge when you have a reliable ramp bot to back you up.

[LordTalps]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

Row of 8=256 points
Row of 8-1 spoiler=row of 7=128 points
Row of 8-2 spoilers=2 rows of 3=16 points
Additionally, you have to place 8 tubes before the opponents can place a single on that level. While that might be possible on occasion, I wouldn't rely on it to win a regional.

especially not reliable to win the championships

[LordTalps]

Originally Posted by d.courtney

I highly doubt a row of 8 with a spoiler on it... the way I see it, if you have a row of 8 play defense like mad if a robot has a spoiler have two robots on them.... secondly if you can't stop a row of 8 before it happens, by placing a ringer of your own on, chances are you ain't stopping it after it happens... I agree that it likely wont win Regionals, and if it does, it will be few times and far between, but by Championships I suspect that there will be enough refined scoring robots that the double ramp isn't so much the "guaranteed win".

But the other team's going to have refined bots too. Before you can even think about getting around to score on the other side of the rack, they've put up a possible keeper or two and scored who knows how many ringers. They'll likely have a ringer on before you can get there just for defense. Then to score on the other side, your defense has to force the other teams away from the rack far enough that your team can score.

The only thing to really enable high scoring rows is either playing insane defense against poorly-matched bots (possible -- 1885 penned in all 3 teams one match enabling 116 to make a row of 7 on their own), or playing against robots that cannot score on the same levels as you, and they don't defend the rack from you.