Smaller robots

[patrickrd]

Over the years, the FIRST robot sizes have been getting bigger and bigger. These larger sizes, although they do allow teams more freedom in designing their robot, have many negative aspects as well. Personally, I think FIRST would gain a lot if they decreased the robot sizes a bit... To somewhere about 50-75% of the current volume. I just think smaller machines are more impressive, it forces teams to be more clever and efficient in their designs, and we could cut the playing field size in half (that means teams could compete twice as much at regionals and nationals).

What do others think about robot sizes?

- Patrick, having some crazy vision of tiny robots zipping around picking up and throwing Nerf footballs.

[Lora Knepper]

Although I originally liked the idea of the larger 'bots, the larger fields that we've had to make to accomodate 4 teams at a time are getting rather rediculous. Lets try something different and bend some rules I'm all for making smaller bots. Besides, with all the huge bots on the field, you have to admit you tended to root for the "little guy" that would speed around on the field

~ lora

[Joe Ross]

I like the way it has been the past 2 years, where there has been a large maximum limit, and then a smaller limit to make it easier to access parts of the field.

[Matt Leese]

Larger robots make FIRST a more impressive competition. People are wowed when I say that we build robots that are 5 feet tall and a 130 pounds. Reducing the size would cut into that.

Matt

[Jessica Boucher]

But....larger robots also decrease the amount of people that can carry it...or, it increases the amount of people needed to carry it.

Im not saying decrease the weight.....but I dont know how much heavier it can go.

[Carolyn Duncan]

If the weight gets heavier we won't be carrying our robots. We'll need acces to the feild by way of lower the outter bar, if the field is similar to last year, and we'll have to engineer our carts better and equip them with a ramp to roll the robot off. That or we'll have to drive our robots to the field.

[EddieMcD]

I personally like keeping restrictions the way they are. The 5-feet tall robots are impressive, and outdoes all Battlebots (unless you count The Snake). The weight isn't bad; at 130 pounds & 5 feet tall, you can easily get it on the field with 2 people. Increase that, and you'll have problems.

In conclusion, keep the weight & size limits the same.

[Elgin Clock]

I think we should keep the size limit the same but boost up the weight limit to 150lbs.

Also about acess to the field, I remember someone talking about this in the old forum, Could there be an acess way to the field. Ie a removable section of the fields outer bar if applicable next year!
I remember someone talking about how some people tripped over it when carrying their robot and fell. I think that this could be a serious safety issue!

[Griff]

My Feeling about the sizes of the Robots is that a small robot would show off higher classes of design, and more space on playing fields. On the other hand, a larger robot could show off more Driving skill, as shown in the past with our Robots, our "Cherry-picker" from the 1999-2000 Season required more skill and Driver co-operation then last seasons "ramp-wedge", also a larger robot requires more real world Engineering, a super-strucher, sub-functions, and multiple mechanisms allow for many more functions to be completed at once.

People may like to route for the little guy, but theirs nothing like watching a full 130 pound, 5 foot tall machine punch its weight on the field. But I have a feeling that those of us who are in FIRST now won't see a small robot out on the field, but those who follow us will.

At your Service,
Griff

[Sean_330]

I like the current weight limit. In my opinion, i think that 130 pounds should be the maximum because, if they were heaver, many teams would need more than two people to safely carry their robots. It is hard enough for the poor rookie teams that have heavy robots and do not know to build a cart to carry the robot in to carry 130 pounds around (much less 150). Anyway, Just my opinion.


Sean

[GregT]

I cant say ive ever seen anyone on my team have problems lifting our bot... even when we WERE 150 lbs.

[David Kelly]

they're not that heavy. even the girl's on our team don't comlain when lifting it. they're not the strongest girls either. sorry courtney

[Elgin Clock]

Originally posted by Sean_330
It is hard enough for the poor rookie teams that have heavy robots and do not know to build a cart to carry the robot in to carry 130 pounds around (much less 150). Anyway, Just my opinion.


Sean

Maybe that should be one of those "trade secrets" brought to the attention of new teams in the regisration packet from FIRST?? There sure are plenty more of those; the small details that are obvious to novice teams but are sometimes overlooked by rookie teams!

[GregT]

Funny... i was on a rookie team. We built our cart in... oh id say the 5 hours before we left. It held the 150 pounds. It also held 70 some for 12 blocks in NYC.

Hmm... I guess i don't view that as a problem probably just me though.

[David Kelly]

Originally posted by GregT
Funny... i was on a rookie team. We built our cart in... oh id say the 5 hours before we left. It held the 150 pounds. It also held 70 some for 12 blocks in NYC.

Hmm... I guess i don't view that as a problem probably just me though.

well, on our rookie year we used the lid of the crate as our cart. we slapped on 4 casters and a piece of rope and we were set. it was great cause we had no idea of how serious these people were.