Car Nack Predicts 01/08/07

[Conor Ryan]

Car Nack can predict, but that doesn't mean we won't try. However by making such a statement, the strategic value of the Keepers are much greater than the points they earn.

[Elgin Clock]

Originally Posted by Cory

Why? It's much harder to score them there than at the top.

How so?

With the lower racks you can pre-align the robot up positioned with the keeper to run into a bottom rack scorring spider leg and you will be golden.
The only thing you have to worry about is the "slight adjustment" after you set up your robot, but I don't think that will make much of a difference.

What is your reasoning Cory? I'm guessing less leg shake up above, and the target to help you? Maybe, but it also constitutes actuating an arm or something to reach that high as well.

I know from past experience it takes quite a while to drop a tetra on a goal in autonomous mode. The only advantage this year is you start with the game piece in your possession.

[1768]

I strongly disagree with Billfred. I predict that in _very_ few matches will less than one keeper per team be scored. The spiders are nigh impossible to shake without a running start, and barring collisions any team with halfway competent programmers (a group among which I count myself) should be able to score underneath a light.
In short, IMHO Car Nack is dead wrong. But I've been wrong many times before.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by Elgin Clock

How so?

With the lower racks you can pre-align the robot up positioned with the keeper to run into a bottom rack scorring spider leg and you will be golden.
The only thing you have to worry about is the "slight adjustment" after you set up your robot, but I don't think that will make much of a difference.

What is your reasoning Cory? I'm guessing less leg shake up above, and the target to help you? Maybe, but it also constitutes actuating an arm or something to reach that high as well.

I know from past experience it takes quite a while to drop a tetra on a goal in autonomous mode. The only advantage this year is you start with the game piece in your possession.

The leg shake is very dramatic at the bottom, and any dead reckoning autonomous is surely to be interfered with if it's not the first bot there and it's aiming for the bottom.
In terms of coding difficulty, if the team is using closed loop control (or has done enough testing to know how long to run the motors to get their manipulator to the right height), it should be no more difficult to score on the higher spiders during autonomous (in fact easier due to the lesser shaking) than down low.


As for Car-Nack. It really depends on how good 383 and the rest of the Brazilian teams are this year, because that's the only regional I could see less than 5 keepers scored. Not knocking the Brazilians in any way, it's just a much smaller and younger event (even than Israel).

[Al Skierkiewicz]

Oh great and knowledgeable Car Nack, you have spoken and your words are true.
Finding a hole in a wall (a fixed plane) set under one light is not the same as multiple lights above multiple moving objects on a moving assembly for potentially only 2 points. If there is any successes, it will be late in the season.

[Chris Fultz]

I believe Car Nacks vision is getting blurry -

I think many teams will score in auto, using the camera.

Regarding the low vs. high - there is a distinct advantage to scoring on the lower level - but i wont divuldge my strategy

[Jack Jones]

I'm not sure how many will get lucky.
I do know that we won't. 1213 doesn't do high-risk for low-pay.

[Swampdude]

Originally Posted by Car Nack

Car Nack Predicts

The scoring of keepers will be a relative rarity. In fact there will be at least one Regional where there will be a total of less than five keepers scored for the entire competition.

Car Nack has spoken

It won't be in Florida

[Donut]

Originally Posted by Car Nack

Car Nack Predicts

The scoring of keepers will be a relative rarity. In fact there will be at least one Regional where there will be a total of less than five keepers scored for the entire competition.

Car Nack has spoken

Well, was Car Nack right yet? It certainly appeared that the prediction was very close to true (not many keepers were scored anywhere), but did any of the 1st week regionals have less than 5 keepers scored?

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Swampdude

It won't be in Florida

That took you 16 seconds

[Mike]

Originally Posted by Donut

Well, was Car Nack right yet? It certainly appeared that the prediction was very close to true (not many keepers were scored anywhere), but did any of the 1st week regionals have less than 5 keepers scored?

In New Jersey, 237 scored four keepers. 25 scored two or three I believe. 375 also scored two?

Certainly not as much as I thought would be scored.

[Gary Dillard]

Seemed to be quite a few blind squirrels finding nuts in Florida. I lost count.

[Daniel Brim]

Only one keeper was scored at the Southern California regional (by 330). Many close calls, but only one found its mark.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Daniel Brim

Only one keeper was scored at the Southern California regional (by 330). Many close calls, but only one found its mark.

Car Nack was correct in his prediction. (By the way, no camera on our robot--and we came the closest to having more than one (or zero)).

[nuggetsyl]

Originally Posted by Gary Dillard

Seemed to be quite a few blind squirrels finding nuts in Florida. I lost count.

In Flordia the refs barly moved the rack. If that happened in nj we would have hit it every time.