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Re: Use of Spoilers

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No spoilers were used at VCU, other than one thrown by a human player that made it onto the rack. One bot picked up the spoiler with an intent to use it, but dropped it before they were able to place it.

yeah, 435 was going to use a spoiler against us in the semis, but 612 (with awesome defence) made them drop it. and the spoiler that was thrown on was in a practice match and was the only tube on the rack. so the throw was just for practice, not with the intent of negating anything.
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Re: Use of Spoilers

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I don't know how many were placed during qualifications (probably none at GLR), but during the Eliminations, we used them several times. We broke apart the 67/1114/57 row of 6. I attribute our strategic placement of spoilers to our wins in those matches.
The ONLY spoiler placed during qualifications at GLR was scored against our alliance (322, 815, 1114) in the 4:22 PM match (they don't have numbers on the FIRST website). We still won 75-8 though. Which brings up another point about spoilers. You have to use major strategy in order to use a spoiler appropriately. We didn't score any more ringers after the spoiler was placed and they only had one row of three. Wouldn't it have been better for their ranking points to score another ringer to increase their row rather than trying to use a spoiler on ours?
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Re: Use of Spoilers

Team 1629 almost scored a spoiler at Pittsburgh against 291/375/1990 on a row of 7. the refs ruled that it didn't count after about a 10 minute delay of the next game because it was held up by a keeper under the rack. It would have changed the score from 22-128 to 22-16.
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Re: Use of Spoilers

We had to replace only 3 spoilers during the qualifying matches, and one during elimination matches at Finger Lakes Regional.

They always were thrown onto the field but used very little. Some teams got some of them up.
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I was wondering what everyone's opinions and thoughts are on the strategy of using spoilers in a match now that we've seen some regional competitions.

At the NJ regional less than a dozen spoilers were ever in a robot's possession and only ONE spoiler was ever successfully put on the rack. I was wondering if spoilers are as rarely used in the other FRC competitions that took place and if anyone really thinks that teams have enough time to be considered with the putting on (much less taking off) of spoiler rings during a two-minute match.
at the stl regional no one really tried to go fro spoilers, most everybody was concerned with trying to get the most point's/ bonus point's than teh spolier.
their was only one time when someone tried to put a spolier on.
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Re: Use of Spoilers

I think too many people forget about the spoiler until there isn't enough time left to use them. In WI, I think I only saw once when the tube was brought out.
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Re: Use of Spoilers

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We had to replace only 3 spoilers during the qualifying matches, and one during elimination matches at Finger Lakes Regional.

They always were thrown onto the field but used very little. Some teams got some of them up.
We got "spoiled" in consecutive qulifing matches. Once taking our beautiful row of 8 down to 7, the other knocking a row of 6 down to 5. Since they only reduced the rows by 1, they didnt affect the outcome of the match.
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Re: Use of Spoilers

We had a match at Pittsburgh in which our alliance partners (128) placed a spoiler with about 10 seconds left breaking up a row and a column at about the same time we were headed up 1998's ramp. Ended up being pivotal in winning the match. (It also involved some very nifty driving by 128!)

That was one of only three spoilers I saw placed all weekend, but I only saw about 1/3 of the matches.
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Re: Use of Spoilers

I can think of two at L.A. One was a human player on the top row (empty) and the other was on a bottom row against a ringer that 968 had just placed. Let's just say it came off in a hurry. Several others were attempted without success.
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Re: Use of Spoilers

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I can think of two at L.A. One was a human player on the top row (empty) and the other was on a bottom row against a ringer that 968 had just placed. Let's just say it came off in a hurry. Several others were attempted without success.
Both 254 and 294 succesfully placed spoilers on 2 rows that we created in 2 different matches. Fortunately, our two drivers Jackie and Kiet got those things off in no time. It was very cool to see.
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Re: Use of Spoilers

Stealing an empty leg from an opponent is much, much more fun (something our drivers were able to do during the LA finals match)

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Re: Use of Spoilers

Sounds like you should send out your weakest capper with a spoiler whenever your opponents get a row of four if there is say 45 plus seconds left. This would draw off the defense from your stronger cappers and tie up you opponents cappers that would now play defense against the spoiler and your stronger cappers could go to work. Or, send out your defensive robot with a spoiler so that your opponent would have to keep an eye on them all the time. Of course, keeping the opposing alliance from getting a row of 4 or more should be stopped in the first place.
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We got "spoiled" in consecutive qulifing matches. Once taking our beautiful row of 8 down to 7, the other knocking a row of 6 down to 5. Since they only reduced the rows by 1, they didnt affect the outcome of the match.
We were in with you guys on that 256/2 spoil. Everyone was so excieted that we got the 256 that they didn't see the team drive up with the spoiler in time to stop them. We re-watched the video and we just missed hitting them to stop them. Then we ran out of time to de-score the spoiler.
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Both 254 and 294 succesfully placed spoilers on 2 rows that we created in 2 different matches. Fortunately, our two drivers Jackie and Kiet got those things off in no time. It was very cool to see.
In addition, there was a spoiler placed (though I forget by whom) on Thursday against 330, who promptly took it off and placed it on an opposing alliance's row. It was a pretty high-quality play for a practice match, that's for sure.
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We were in with you guys on that 256/2 spoil. Everyone was so excieted that we got the 256 that they didn't see the team drive up with the spoiler in time to stop them. We re-watched the video and we just missed hitting them to stop them. Then we ran out of time to de-score the spoiler.
That was a great match. I could watch the video over and over. You guys were SOOOO close to descoring the spoiler. It was great working with you.
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