Has a hybrid won yet?

[Petey]

Originally Posted by chaoticprout

What I meant when I made the thread, which should have been explained in the first post, is that most/all hybrids that I've seen have been mediocre when trying to do both scoring and ramping/lifting. I was wondering If a team had won a hybrid while doing both functions with their alliance.

~Michael

There were several dominant ramp/scorers at BAE that, had the competition been 1 on 1 and simply deploying the ramp garnered you bonus points, would have won. Team 179 comes to mind.

BAE GSR winning alliance did not have a hybrid. Their ramp bot could have had a scorer, but it was superfluous and all they did was just sit in the end zone and set up as soon as the match began.

[James1902]

Originally Posted by Jonathan Norris

I now believe that a strong alliance would be three bots with very good drive systems who can all play D, sure there has to be some offensive capabilities, but defense can be huge when you have a reliable ramp bot to back you up.

This being said, what do you think would happen with three dynamite scorers and no ramp bot against three great defensive robots with one of them being a ramp?

I think that in this cenario the three cappers would win because of the time it ussally takes to gurantee two robots on a ramp. For the first 1:30 seconds of the match it would be preaty equal. With no teams scoring then the ramp bot would leave which leaves probably the best scorer to start really scoring, then at 20 seconds the first ramp climber would leave thus leaving two very good scoring robots compleatly unharassed. If a row of six gets you 62 points and the other team didn't cap at all, I think that the three cappers would have enough time to win. It would be close but it's possible. This dosn't include auto mode either. my two cents

[IndySam]

Originally Posted by wpdrummer

This being said, what do you think would happen with three dynamite scorers and no ramp bot against three great defensive robots with one of them being a ramp?

I think that in this cenario the three cappers would win because of the time it ussally takes to gurantee two robots on a ramp. For the first 1:30 seconds of the match it would be preaty equal. With no teams scoring then the ramp bot would leave which leaves probably the best scorer to start really scoring, then at 20 seconds the first ramp climber would leave thus leaving two very good scoring robots compleatly unharassed. If a row of six gets you 62 points and the other team didn't cap at all, I think that the three cappers would have enough time to win. It would be close but it's possible. This dosn't include auto mode either. my two cents

There is no doubt in my mind that three good scoring robots will win against three defensive robots with a ramp. Three good scorers can easily score a row of six in 20-30 seconds.

[DonRotolo]

1676 has a ramp with 12" capability, arm, and was 3rd seed in NJ....does that qualify?

[seanl]

team 330 won the los angeles regional, they have a dual ramp and they can score all the way around the rack in any spider, i wouldnt be suprised if they win nationals.

[1359th Scalawag]

We (1359) have a hybrid that works pretty well. It's a rack scorer with a (hidden) ramp built into the chassis. Unlike many other hybrids i've seen, ours is a rack scorer with a ramp as opposed to a ramp scorer with an arm. Most of the time we never used the ramp because there were more professional ramp robots on our team but when a match came along where we had no other ramp robot, we opened up our ramp and really almost scored. *the robot who drove up us got into place and instead of staying put, moved off and fell* Our people up in the stands said they heard people saying stuff like "woah, what's that? They have a ramp?"
Our robot looks like any other scorer and scores really efficiently but when it's needed, we have a ramp.

Just saying, hybrids are often underestimated. Somewhere on youtube, I saw a match with a team called Riot Crew. They had a hybrid with what looked like 2 large ramps.Their arm scored nearly perfectly. Sometimes, hybrids dont work well with either function and sometimes they work really well on both. I think hybrids rule.

[Cody Carey]

Our team was a hybrid with the emphasis on the ramp ability. We are not any more. We are a hybrid with emphasis on scoring. In the quarter-final matches, once we got a little practice, we were scoring 5 tubes in one minute, then having to go back to the home-zone to attempt the 2-12 lift. As far as I know, 12 seconds per tube is one of (if not the) fastest recorded scoring times. And if our alliance partners can drive up a ramp with eight-twelve inches of leeway depending on your wheelbase, we can easily score the sixty bonus at the end of the match.

Hybrids need to be watched, and not underestimated because of preconceived ideas about needing to specialize a robot to do well.

[sieggy]

At GLR there were a couple of really functional hybrids, like 67, 503, 322, 33, etc.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to be able to do both well. Also, I guess the answer to the original post is now yes again (for at GLR)

[nuggetsyl]

If you get 2 great cappers and one good capper. hard to beat. Y? Because you hvae to spend time setting up the ramp. This means a capper is free to cap. how much time does a robot need to get on a ramp . lets say 20 secs. i know we can cap 2 in 20 secs. 103 can do it. 1302 could cap 1. A row a 5 is 32 points and that does not include what was capped in the first 1:30 or auto

[AdamHeard]

330 is the most effective hybrid so far.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by AdamHeard

330 is the most effective hybrid so far.

I'd contest that. 67 is also quite an effective hybrid. Those 2 are almost certainly the best so far though. 503 is not far behind though


edit: Remind anyone of 2005?

[Nuttyman54]

lets see, so 503 is a good hybrid, 67 is a good hybrid, and 330 is a good hybrid...watch out Atlanta...

[sieggy]

Hey 503, 67, and 330... the world championship alliance of '05!

[ChrisH]

Originally Posted by sieggy

Hey 503, 67, and 330... the world championship alliance of '05!

Team 330 is pleased to hear that our partners from '05 are doing so well. They are great teams and together we made an even greater team. We have the utmost respect for them.

It is highly unlikely that we would wind up in the same division. I rather suspect that if we did, there would be a slight discontinuity in whatever algorithm they use for assigning divisions.

On the other hand it would be really neat to be the first World Champion Alliance to repeat.

[Pavan Dave]

Team Fusion at Bayou did wonderful and were regional Finalists with a ramp for one bot at 12" and a VERY effective manipulator. I think it is among the best of its class from what I have seen on other webcasts, and I believe it has great potential if it goes to another regional.

Pavan.