2007 Chesapeake Regional - Discussion

[StephLee]

Originally Posted by The Lucas

Or if you can't move at all you could always score 30 pts without moving

I saw that thread after I made my post...see, even a non-mover can score.

[dlavery]

Originally Posted by Vashts

The only real thing that I was a little set aback by was the need for a "Team Safety Log" as well as a compilation of Material Safety Data Sheets, and related safety items (like Baking Soda for leaking batteries). I honestly had never known about that until today when two of the, well, I guess you could call them "Safety Judges" came around and asked me about them. SURPRISE!!! So, that's what I'm doing right now. As well as getting together anything else I think we might need tomorrow that I can get from my house.

Whuuhhh-huh? Who told you that??? Geez, just when FIRST goes to extra lengths to make sure one set of officials remains focused on what they are doing and doesn't make up rules they shouldn't, another group pops up and starts in... Lets be clear about this - the Safety Advisors are just that - advisors. They have absolutely no regulatory authority at a FRC competition. They are not judges. They are not referees. They are not sanctioned event personnel with judicial authority. They can NOT tell a team to create a Safety Log or anything else. The U/L personnel that may be attending an event are there to observe and advise - they are not there to create rules or additional bureaucracy. If you find that this is happening, please notify the FIRST FTA, your Regional Director, and/or the event manager immediately.

-dave

[Sgraff_SRHS06]

Originally Posted by StephLee

Out of 6 matches today, we played three with only two robots on our alliance. Not to mention a ringer on our flag mount, the one place we can get a ringer stuck on us that we can't get it off, unless we drop our ramps. This trend of missing matches is getting disturbing, it really hurts your alliance partners. Just a shout out to all teams: if you can move at all, make it to your match. Your alliance partners will thank you, even if you're not quick or high-scoring. It's a terrible psyche-out for your alliance when they're down a partner, and you can always try to play defense.

We have a detailed scouting database; when it's finished I'll post some of it. Our stats show a big discrepancy between scoring potential and standings.

Is there any way at least to compile at least which robots are better at scoring ringers and those that are better rampbots?

[Spikey]

I wish I could share our teams scouting info, but I am not authorized to release such information.

I hope the roads are not too bad tomorrow.

[Sgraff_SRHS06]

You shouldn't have this snow problem tomorrow. However, if you do wear shorts, make sure you wear either a hoodie or sweatshirts or at least 2 polos .

[StephLee]

Okay, so for our stats...

The top ten teams by the standings:

293 - 19 ringers in 6 matches
836 - 17 ringers in 5 matches
75 - 18 ringers in 6 matches
1748 - 0 ringers in 6 matches
768 - 19 ringers in 6 matches
1418 - 19 ringers in 6 matches
1894 - 0 ringers in 6 matches
2234 - 0 ringers in 5 matches
1727 - 10 ringers in 5 matches
1218 - 8 ringers in 5 matches

Averages:

836 - 3.4
293 - 3.2
768 - 3.2
1418 - 3.2
75 - 3
1727 - 2
1218 - 1.6
1748 - 0
1894 - 0
2234 - 0




Teams who have scored the most ringers:

1629 - 21 ringers in 6 matches
293 - 19 ringers in 6 matches
768 - 19 ringers in 6 matches
1418 - 19 ringers in 6 matches
75 - 18 ringers in 6 matches
175 - 18 ringers in 5 matches
836 - 17 ringers in 5 matches
341 - 13 ringers in 5 matches
614 - 10 ringers in 6 matches
1727 - 10 ringers in 5 matches

The same list of teams with average ringers (to account for different numbers of matches)(standings in parenthasis):

(21)175 - 3.6
(34)1629 - 3.5
(2)836 - 3.4
(1)293 - 3.2
(5)768 - 3.2
(6)1418 - 3.2
(3)75 - 3
(14)341 - 2.6
(9)1727 - 2
(17)614 - 1.7

*friendly note* We've noticed this weekend how often one match can mess up a team's average number of ringers. Defenders, tipping, and "unfortunate circumstances" should be remembered or at least noted when looking at statistics; a team can't control if another team's human player rings them with a tube in such a way that it can't be removed.


Make of these stats what you will...we aren't trying to elevate or put down anyone by posting this, we're just a bit surprised that the number of ringers scored doesn't necessarily correlate to the standings. Some very high-ranked teams haven't scored a tube, which could easily be attributed to playing defense well and helping out your partners. Likewise, this game makes it exceptionally difficult for one good scoring robot to carry an entire alliance, hence some high-scoring teams who aren't ranked as highly.

[Scion13]

Steph - thanks for this awesome list

Anyway I hesitate to tell you this, but team we've actually played six matches already. Out of curiosity, how many ringers and keepers has Meshach scored?

Steve

[StephLee]

Originally Posted by Scion13

Steph - thanks for this awesome list

Anyway I hesitate to tell you this, but team we've actually played six matches already. Out of curiosity, how many ringers and keepers has Meshach scored?

Steve

We've scored 21 ringers, no keepers in qualifiers. We're on the list up there. I'm not sure why you showed up as only 5 matches.

I forgot to add to the other match, good luck to everyone at Chesapeake tomorrow and stay dry/warm/safe on the trip to the acadamy tomorrow morning.

[rcflyer620]

Originally Posted by Vashts6583

Team 007 had a pretty easy day, compared to previous years. Despite missing our first practice match, we ended up getting inspected quickly and early, and we've been able to test everything our robot should be able to do. Autonomous works, our ramp works, and we can reach all three spiders with relative ease. The upcoming matches should be rather interesting.

The only real thing that I was a little set aback by was the need for a "Team Safety Log" as well as a compilation of Material Safety Data Sheets, and related safety items (like Baking Soda for leaking batteries). I honestly had never known about that until today when two of the, well, I guess you could call them "Safety Judges" came around and asked me about them. SURPRISE!!! So, that's what I'm doing right now. As well as getting together anything else I think we might need tomorrow that I can get from my house.

Best of luck to all teams out there, and I'll see you tomorrow!!!

Any more word on these Safety Logs? I'd hate to get to the finals and get nailed on something this weird. I don't remember seeing anything about this in the rules or the competition guidelines.
We are a first year team that happens to be doing well. Any info to avoid a technical problem would be useful.
Thanks!

[Spikey]

Originally Posted by StephLee

Okay, so for our stats...

The top ten teams by the standings:

293 - 19 ringers in 6 matches
836 - 17 ringers in 5 matches
75 - 18 ringers in 6 matches
1748 - 0 ringers in 6 matches
768 - 19 ringers in 6 matches
1418 - 19 ringers in 6 matches
1894 - 0 ringers in 6 matches
2234 - 0 ringers in 5 matches
1727 - 10 ringers in 5 matches
1218 - 8 ringers in 5 matches

Averages:

836 - 3.4
293 - 3.2
768 - 3.2
1418 - 3.2
75 - 3
1727 - 2
1218 - 1.6
1748 - 0
1894 - 0
2234 - 0




Teams who have scored the most ringers:

1629 - 21 ringers in 6 matches
293 - 19 ringers in 6 matches
768 - 19 ringers in 6 matches
1418 - 19 ringers in 6 matches
75 - 18 ringers in 6 matches
175 - 18 ringers in 5 matches
836 - 17 ringers in 5 matches
341 - 13 ringers in 5 matches
614 - 10 ringers in 6 matches
1727 - 10 ringers in 5 matches

The same list of teams with average ringers (to account for different numbers of matches)(standings in parenthasis):

(21)175 - 3.6
(34)1629 - 3.5
(2)836 - 3.4
(1)293 - 3.2
(5)768 - 3.2
(6)1418 - 3.2
(3)75 - 3
(14)341 - 2.6
(9)1727 - 2
(17)614 - 1.7

*friendly note* We've noticed this weekend how often one match can mess up a team's average number of ringers. Defenders, tipping, and "unfortunate circumstances" should be remembered or at least noted when looking at statistics; a team can't control if another team's human player rings them with a tube in such a way that it can't be removed.


Make of these stats what you will...we aren't trying to elevate or put down anyone by posting this, we're just a bit surprised that the number of ringers scored doesn't necessarily correlate to the standings. Some very high-ranked teams haven't scored a tube, which could easily be attributed to playing defense well and helping out your partners. Likewise, this game makes it exceptionally difficult for one good scoring robot to carry an entire alliance, hence some high-scoring teams who aren't ranked as highly.

Great list. I was also surprised that many teams with solid averages are so low in the standings. This game is very difficult for one team to carry an alliance. Also Autonamous has been a bust I would say, only 1-2 keepers have been scored during the competition. A select few teams have come close, but the lighting does not make the camera use very easy.

[Robyn Needel]

We also experienced the Safety Advisors telling us that we should have a Safety Log, specialized Safety manual, training logs, Material Data Sheets and so on. It was a bit disconcerting, especially to our inexperienced safety representative, who was standing in for our ill Safety Captain.

We were using our new scouting software yesterday and today and came up with pretty accurate predictions about team performance. Our scouting mentor TJ was fixing some glitches in the software tonight and will be around tomorrow for anyone who is using it or wants to and needs some guidance.

In addition to having a great day playing with all our alliance partners and opponents, Team 768 was fortunate to have a local tv station come and do a great piece on FIRST (it's only taken us 4 years to tallking to them). Here's the link: - and they did an awesome job of covering the regional in a short time...here's the link http://wjz.com/seenon/local_story_075152422.html We are hoping it stays up for a few days, at least!

See you all tomorrow :-)

Robyn

[SteveGPage]

Assuming anyone is still up working on their stats like I am!

Our approach to the team selection process is - we don't use the final standings to determine our selections. We see the qualifications as a way to get data, irregardless of where the team ends up. And as to "unfortunate circumstances" - we know EXACTLY what you mean about getting a ringer caught in the flag! (Thanks T!! )

Other than a view differences in match counts and ringer counts - my data is very close to Steph's data and reflects the type of analysis that we do as well.

Okay - way too late here in Annapolis - see you all in the morning! Drive carefully!

Steve

Originally Posted by StephLee

Okay, so for our stats...

The top ten teams by the standings:

293 - 19 ringers in 6 matches
836 - 17 ringers in 5 matches
75 - 18 ringers in 6 matches
1748 - 0 ringers in 6 matches
768 - 19 ringers in 6 matches
1418 - 19 ringers in 6 matches
1894 - 0 ringers in 6 matches
2234 - 0 ringers in 5 matches
1727 - 10 ringers in 5 matches
1218 - 8 ringers in 5 matches

Averages:

836 - 3.4
293 - 3.2
768 - 3.2
1418 - 3.2
75 - 3
1727 - 2
1218 - 1.6
1748 - 0
1894 - 0
2234 - 0




Teams who have scored the most ringers:

1629 - 21 ringers in 6 matches
293 - 19 ringers in 6 matches
768 - 19 ringers in 6 matches
1418 - 19 ringers in 6 matches
75 - 18 ringers in 6 matches
175 - 18 ringers in 5 matches
836 - 17 ringers in 5 matches
341 - 13 ringers in 5 matches
614 - 10 ringers in 6 matches
1727 - 10 ringers in 5 matches

The same list of teams with average ringers (to account for different numbers of matches)(standings in parenthasis):

(21)175 - 3.6
(34)1629 - 3.5
(2)836 - 3.4
(1)293 - 3.2
(5)768 - 3.2
(6)1418 - 3.2
(3)75 - 3
(14)341 - 2.6
(9)1727 - 2
(17)614 - 1.7

*friendly note* We've noticed this weekend how often one match can mess up a team's average number of ringers. Defenders, tipping, and "unfortunate circumstances" should be remembered or at least noted when looking at statistics; a team can't control if another team's human player rings them with a tube in such a way that it can't be removed.


Make of these stats what you will...we aren't trying to elevate or put down anyone by posting this, we're just a bit surprised that the number of ringers scored doesn't necessarily correlate to the standings. Some very high-ranked teams haven't scored a tube, which could easily be attributed to playing defense well and helping out your partners. Likewise, this game makes it exceptionally difficult for one good scoring robot to carry an entire alliance, hence some high-scoring teams who aren't ranked as highly.

[RoboMadi]

Thanks for the Info. Its going to be a great help for alot of teams.

Its shocking to see how a lot of good teams are ranked really low. Something similar is going on with our team too. We were the semi-finalist for the NASA/VCU Regional, but at Chesapeake we kept getting defence on our robot and were not able to score that well. I'm really excited about tomorrow; even though matches were not that fun today, but i think tomorrow can be a lot of fun. Good Luck Teams!

Imad

[Sgraff_SRHS06]

That's at least a start. Now we need a national network to cover the Chesapeake Regional like ESPN or ESPN2 or ESPNU. Now that would actually be really well-deserving of hype.

[Athleticgirl389]

Alliance number 1 seems really strong with 75 and 293.. 1st and 3rd place alliances. With 203, they will surely be the team to watch and beat.

Good luck to all teams in the finals!!!