YMTC: Redabot Scores 30 Bonus Points?

[Brandon Holley]

Im watching the NY regional webcast...my old team, team 11 was just screwed out of 30 pts for this EXACT SITUATION...i say its unfortunate

[Travis Hoffman]

Originally Posted by Brandon Holley

Im watching the NY regional webcast...my old team, team 11 was just screwed out of 30 pts for this EXACT SITUATION...i say its unfortunate

Regardless of what appears officially in the rule book, at least it appears FIRST has communicated this ruling to all events moving forward. If it is common knowledge among teams, they will simply have to adjust. It is fair if everyone knows about it.

Dave, are there any other rule obscurities slated for YMTC stardom any time soon? If so, could we circumvent the process and get them out in the open through more widespread communication channels?

[Steve Kaneb]

Red's ramps were independent, so whatever happened to the ramp upon which there is no robot supported is irrelevant. The robot on the side which had been lifted to 17'' is not at that height because of a tube, therefore the red alliance wins the match, the finals and the regional.
The robot supported to a bonus scoring position is in no way affected by the tube, because redarobot lifting it is not having its entire structure supported by game pieces.

[StephLee]

Originally Posted by Daniel_LaFleur

Please quote the rule that says you cannot have a tube under your ramp.


All that a tube (in that position) does is negate a (60 point) lift.

Another yellow card offense, if I recall correctly, is breaking a rule (entering the opponent's home zone) to gain an advantage (negating a 60-point bonus). [See update 15, under section 9: the tournament, where they clarified the yellow card rules.] This is a blatant rulebreaking to gain a distinct advantage; perfect yellow card material.

[Daniel_LaFleur]

Originally Posted by StephLee

Another yellow card offense, if I recall correctly, is breaking a rule (entering the opponent's home zone) to gain an advantage (negating a 60-point bonus). [See update 15, under section 9: the tournament, where they clarified the yellow card rules.] This is a blatant rulebreaking to gain a distinct advantage; perfect yellow card material.

Originally Posted by Team Update 15

Rule <T06> allows for the Head Referee to assign a YELLOW CARD to a team for
exhibiting egregious behavior. Examples of egregious behavior include, but certainly are
not limited to, the following:
a) Behaving in an unsportsmanlike manner repeatedly or after receiving a warning
b) Damaging the field repeatedly
c) Ramming robots repeatedly and/or excessively
d) Using foul language and/or gestures while on the field
e) Tipping robots repeatedly and/or excessively
f) Forcing your opponent to commit a rules violation
g) Gaining an advantage by breaking a rule repeatedly and/or excessively

Bold is mine

According to this, We could stuff a tube under a ramp at least once (negating the 60 point lift) without getting a yellow card.
Also note that having a tube under a ramp isn't against the rules ... it just negates a lift. (please understand that I do not condone this type of rules lawyering)

If you look at pictures of my teams robot, we fit this catagory. It is quite possible for 2 robots to be on top of ours that are not supported by a tube and have Our ramp supported by a tube (especially if it were deflated). Thus, I want to know how this YMTC turns out.



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[dlavery]

Originally Posted by T. Hoffman

Dave, are there any other rule obscurities slated for YMTC stardom any time soon? If so, could we circumvent the process and get them out in the open through more widespread communication channels?

I dunno - you will have to ask Lucien about that. This is his show.

I hear that he does take suggestions, as long as they are accompanied by appropriate tasty comestibles.

-dave

[George A.]

Originally Posted by Brandon Holley

Im watching the NY regional webcast...my old team, team 11 was just screwed out of 30 pts for this EXACT SITUATION...i say its unfortunate

Yeah, as an alumni that was heartbreaking for 2 reasons...1 because when it happened I knew it wouldn't count, and 2 because the score table accidentally put up the slide showing the points did count...so I had to talk over the then joyous red alliance and tell them the news...not fun.