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| View Poll Results: You Make The Call | |||
| Flags stay in my pocket ... No Penalties! |
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38 | 69.09% |
| Bluabot, GET OUT OF REDALLIANCE'S HOME ZONE ... Penalty for the Blualliance! |
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8 | 14.55% |
| Redabot, GET OUT OF THE WAY ... Penalty for the Redalliance! |
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7 | 12.73% |
| Other ... Please Explain! |
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2 | 3.64% |
| Voters: 55. You may not vote on this poll | |||
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YMTC: Bluabot Bulldozes Out Of Home Zone
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You Make The Call (YMTC) is a series of situations where you are the official and make the call. Please reference specific rules when applicable. The results of YMTC are not official and are for educational purposes only. It's the first seeding match on Saturday of the Magnolia Regional. Friday was dominated by ramp 'bots ... 60 was seemingly impossible to catch and 30 wasn't easily conquered. Blualliance, with no ramp 'bots, is battling Redalliance with debatably the best two ramp 'bots at the Magnolia. The Redateam begins the match by playing hard defense while Bluateam struggles to score 4 ringers in a row. Bluabot heads for the Opponents Home Zone early in the match and disrupts the wall ringers while waving "hi" to the Redalliance flight teams. With 45 seconds remaining, Redabot returns to their Home Zone. Bluabot battles Redabot but seems to be more interested in staying between the wall and Redabot than pushing Redabot around. The 20-second warning sounds and Bluabot is positioned between Redabot and the Opponents Alliance Station Wall; Bluabot attempts to drive directly out of the Opponents Home Zone and intentionally contacts Redabot while attempting to "bulldoze" their way out of the Opponents Home Zone. With 15 seconds remaining, Redabot, without ever moving "right or left" to allow Bluabot free passage from their Home Zone, unfurls their ramps and Bluabot, still in the Opponents Home Zone, continues to push Redabot nearer the Home Zone line. With Bluabot pushing, a Redabot's alliance member easily climbs on top of Redabot with 5 seconds remaining. As time expires, Bluateam scores one more ringer for 5 in a row and a total of 32 points. The buzzer sounds before Redabot's other alliance member could climb on top resulting in 30 bonus points for Redalliance with no ringers scored. Bluabot graciously ( ) comes to rest without successfully bulldozing their way out of the Opponents Home Zone.Based on the 2007 Rules, YOU MAKE THE CALL! Last edited by Natchez : 24-03-2007 at 20:53. |
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Re: YMTC: Bluabot Bulldozes Out Of Home Zone
Actually, I voted then looked directly at the rules...
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So, per the 2007 rules, there would be *no* penalty for this. JBot |
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Re: YMTC: Bluabot Bulldozes Out Of Home Zone
Per the last sentence of <G25>:
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Bluateam wins. |
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Re: YMTC: Bluabot Bulldozes Out Of Home Zone
"The 20-second warning sounds and Bluabot is positioned between Redabot and the Opponents Alliance Station Wall; Bluabot drives directly out of the Opponents Home Zone and intentionally contacts Redabot while attempting to "bulldoze" their way out of the Opponents Home Zone. With 15 seconds remaining, Redabot, without ever moving "right or left" to allow Bluabot free passage from their Home Zone, unfurls their ramps and Bluabot, still in the Opponents Home Zone, continues to push Redabot nearer the Home Zone line."
I am confused. Above: "Bluabot drives directly out of the Opponents Home Zone....." How did bluabot get back into the Opponents Home Zone? Did you mean: Bluabot tries to drive directly out of the ....? with Redabot blocking passage. I agree with the previous two answers if that is the case. G24 and G25 are fairly clear. If Blueabot is actually pined between Redabot, and the wall, there could also be a pining penatly against Redabot if held for more than ten seconds (G39). |
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Re: YMTC: Bluabot Bulldozes Out Of Home Zone
I think the issue here is that the Bluabot kept attempting to drive straight out, rather than turning and leaving. Thus, it's a ref's (or ours in this case) call to determine whether or not they are, in fact, being blocked or prevented from leaving, or whether they were just too stubborn to try another way.
From the way that it is worded, it seems like the Redabot intentionally did not move left or right so as to keep Bluabot in the home zone. Thus, I agree with the previous postings, basing my decision on the wording accurately reflecting the intentions of the teams. |
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Re: YMTC: Bluabot Bulldozes Out Of Home Zone
I see no penalties here only if the redabot is completely preventing the bluabot from escaping, however, if there is plenty of room for bluabot to drive around them, I view this as a penalty. As far as pinning is concerned, its only pinning if they are making contact with bluabot, while bluabot is being pushed into another object, i.e. the wall. My understanding is that in this scenario there is a pocket of space between redabot and the wall, bluabot has room to move around behind them, but due to the size of redabot, they can't physically get out of the home zone.
No penalty in my opinion assuming the above paragraph is met, but seeing the match would make that call more clear if it were to ever happen. |
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Re: YMTC: Bluabot Bulldozes Out Of Home Zone
I'd like to add my voice to the late minority opinion surfacing here. If bluebot has the opportunity to turn and get out and they don't take it, the penalty is on them. If redabot moves to prevent bluebot from leaving, then there is no penalty on bluebot.
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Re: YMTC: Bluabot Bulldozes Out Of Home Zone
No penalty for Bluabot because they were blocked and no penalty for Redabot because I don't see a rule giving them a penalty for blocking.
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Re: YMTC: Bluabot Bulldozes Out Of Home Zone
Well, if I'm allowed to make the call, then it depends.
If I'm Red, then Blue gets a penalty. If I'm Blue, then I'll settle for no penalty at all. If I’m the ref, then I’d call it the way I saw it, and expect one side not to like it. Should the head over-rule, then both the other side and I would not be too happy. |
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Re: YMTC: Bluabot Bulldozes Out Of Home Zone
This is what refs are expected to do. That's why they wear the stripes. Competitors should expect no less.
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Re: YMTC: Bluabot Bulldozes Out Of Home Zone
LSR Quarter Finals: Refs call penalty on robot trying to leave. 30 points of penalties. (Went in to stop a ramp deploying well before the buzzer. Successful, but got trapped in the process.)
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Re: YMTC: Bluabot Bulldozes Out Of Home Zone
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Now while there should not be a penalty. I'm not sure whether or not a referee should give bluabot a yellow card. That rule again is: Quote:
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Re: YMTC: Bluabot Bulldozes Out Of Home Zone
I don't think this should result in a penalty, and I think it's a perfectly acceptable strategy played by the blue alliance. In fact, we had a team at Philadelphia this weekend that left themselves in the home zone, incurred a thirty point penalty (they had clear room to exit), and still won the match. Simply, it IS possible to risk that 30-point penalty if you know it will prevent Red alliance from scoring 30-60 bonus points.
AND We didn't give out a yellow card, in case anyone was wondering. |
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