Glove Control System?

[k-zag155]

Hey guys. I've been toying with the idea of having a glove control system for a few weeks now. Not the sort of Nintendo Power Glove route but rather simply for drive systems. I haven't really ironed out specifics recently but at this point I'm thinking about using springed potentiometers and thin cables to translate wrist movement into drive control. I don't even know if this is even a feasible option for the driver controls but I just wanted to see if anyone has tried this type of setup before. I know gloves have been used before but I don't know if in this same way. If you have any experience with this control system or have tips please reply. Thanks

[Cuog]

It will be a difficult challenge although it will be amazing if you pull it off, just remember to keep it intuitive. Also at the beginning of teleoperated period the driver will likely have to put it on which may or may not create issues for you.

[k-zag155]

I read some other post where the team with a type of glove control just plugged in a serial cable (connected to the glove) to the board at the beginning of the tele-operated period. I'm not sure if that's totally legal nowadays, but as I said, at this point I'm just thinking up some prototypes for testing.

[Cuog]

Just cause it was so then wont make it so later. It is a viable solution but remember to check the rules before going that route, even better post to the Official Q&A.

[Kitsune~841]

ive been playing with that idea since 2004 too i was thinking of using the p5 glove i just need to get some programing right ... the one i had has water damage.... dog draged it out in the rain .... while i was out ... unfortunately i am now clueless on programing since i graduated and then came back as a mentor... but it is completely plausible.. if i find out any more ill share with you my findings

[ChrisMcK2186]

I believe he would be able to wear it during auto because the rules say that the control board must be a certain size except those worn by the driver. If it is off during auto, it takes up extra space.

Chris.

PS don't qoute me on that, its just a vague recollection.

[whytheheckme]

I have one of these:

http://www.vrealities.com/P5.html

Its pretty cool, and USB

I'm sure I can modify it though....

Jacob

[team 1094]

thats sounds really cool if you could pull it off please send pics of it to me.

[KTorak]

As far as I know, you can wear it during autonomous, but it cannot be plugged into the control board.

[whytheheckme]

Yeah... Looking at the glove the way it is currently designed, it is going to take some work to get this to work. I should be able to do it with a small PIC, but I had some other questions about the rules.

It uses both a wire and infrared(I think this is the wireless technology that it uses.) Would this not be allowed, due to the whole wireless controller thing? The other question would have to be about using a PIC as a complex decoder for the signals coming out of the device. I'm pretty sure this would not be allowed, seeing that the only microprocessor that you can have hooked to the OI Inputs is the IFI (crosstheroad) USB Chicklet.

Any thoughts on this?

Jacob

[65_Xero_Huskie]

The Frog Force had a glove that controlled part of their robot. I dont know all of the detail but they were using it all year

[whytheheckme]

Hmm... Well, you could legally use the finger controls as simple buttons to the OI, which would work. But any of the positioning stuff violates two rules. I haven't seen Frog Force's design, but my guess is that they are simply using switches, not relative position.

[Jeremiah Johnson]

If memory serves me right, in 2004 (or 2003) 447 used glove controls for their robot. I don't know how they did it but they were fairly bulky.

[jgannon]

Originally Posted by whytheheckme

the only microprocessor that you can have hooked to the OI Inputs is the IFI (crosstheroad) USB Chicklet.

Obviously, this year's rules don't apply to future games, but can you back up this claim with the 2007 rules?

[Alan Anderson]

Originally Posted by jgannon

Obviously, this year's rules don't apply to future games, but can you back up this claim with the 2007 rules?

With ease.

<R83> All equipment connected to the joystick ports of the Operator Interface must be powered solely through the power available through the port. External power sources of any type are not permitted on any equipment connected to the joystick ports. Portable computing devices can not be connected to joystick input ports on the Operator Interface. Powerpassive devices (e.g. joysticks that draw their power solely through the Operator Interface joystick port) are permitted. The one exception to this rule is Innovation First Incorporated USB adapters (IFI Part Number USB-CHICKLET) may be used to connect USB devices to the joystick ports of the Operator Interface. If used, this USB adapter must be powered with a 7.2V battery similar to the back-up battery. Teams can not use power from the competition port or any other source to power the USB adapter. The USB adapter must be positioned within the OPERATOR CONSOLE so that the indicator lights may be seen during inspection and operation in a match.