2007 Championship Divisions

[Heretic121]

Originally Posted by Tim Delles

HYPER ISN'T GOING TO NATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What is wrong with the world???

and in 04 when they won BAE + AZ regionals =(

[Travis Hoffman]

Newton, for the win.

148, 254, 1114,.......

48, 379, 2010 - All Trumbull County Ohio teams together.

******This is NOT official, but it has to be getting close. This presumes FIRST uses the same divisional placement method they've used the past few years.

344 Teams:
 
C    G    N    A
4    16   20   25
27   33   34   39
45   47   48   49
56   58   60   63
65   66   67   68
70   71   74   75
79   84   85   86
88   93   95   97
100  102  103  107
108  111  116  118
120  121  122  123
125  126  128  135
138  141  148  151
155  159  168  173
175  176  177  178
179  180  181  190
191  192  195  203
217  223  224  226
229  231  233  234
236  237  238  246
247  250  254  269
271  279  288  291
292  293  294  302
314  316  326  329
330  334  335  337
339  340  341  342
343  348  353  354
357  358  362  364
365  375  379  386
395  399  401  435
456  457  461  462
469  476  488  494
498  501  503  522
527  537  540  545
555  558  573  597
604  611  612  614
618  619  648  668
670  675  677  694
696  703  714  716
744  752  768  771
811  816  829  830
832  835  842  857
862  876  903  904
910  922  932  935
967  987  989  997
1001 1002 1011 1013
1015 1024 1026 1029
1033 1038 1057 1065
1086 1087 1089 1100
1102 1111 1114 1124
1126 1127 1137 1138
1141 1153 1155 1188
1208 1216 1218 1230
1251 1266 1270 1280
1289 1302 1305 1311
1319 1323 1341 1369
1382 1403 1418 1425
1444 1450 1458 1501
1502 1503 1504 1506
1510 1511 1515 1516
1523 1525 1527 1533
1535 1539 1540 1555
1559 1563 1574 1583
1592 1595 1598 1601
1617 1622 1624 1636
1646 1647 1649 1655
1657 1662 1675 1676
1680 1683 1694 1700
1710 1712 1713 1714
1727 1730 1731 1732
1745 1746 1775 1795
1811 1816 1817 1824
1826 1846 1848 1850
1856 1860 1868 1872
1885 1902 1912 1929
1946 1950 1983 1985
1991 1997 2010 2016
2024 2026 2029 2046
2047 2053 2054 2056
2062 2067 2068 2079
2081 2083 2100 2108
2119 2134 2137 2158
2161 2165 2166 2169
2180 2182 2194 2217
2228 2234 2237 2252
2265 2272 2274 2283

[ALIBI]

Qualifying Teams have until Friday, April 6th to get the entry fee into the hands of FIRST. My guess is that the official lists will not be available until after then. I know of one Rookie All Star team that is definitely going that is not on the current list of 325 teams, that tells me that FIRST is only adding teams to the list as they recieve payment. 336 teams would be a round number of teams to work with. 84 teams per division would divide evenly by six and by my estimation would give each team seven qualifying matches. Roughly ten hours of matches with ten matches per hour would give you 100 matches. 84 teams divided by 6 gives you 14 matches to get every team in. 100 divided by 14 equals 7.14 matches or seven matches per team. Please don't crusify me if someone else has different numbers. It would certainly be great if we knew Friday night or early Saturday. It is so much easier to get preliminary scouting informaiton together before you leave home.


EDIT: Whoa! Just saw the post before mine. 344 Teams! So goes my theory. The All Star I was refering to is listed.

EDIT: Sorry Raul from 111, I did not see your earlier post, my mistake, at least we agree on the numbers though!

[seraphim33]

Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman

Newton, for the win.

148, 254, 1114,.......

48, 379, 2010 - All Trumbull County Ohio teams together.

344 Teams:
 
C    G    N    A
4    16   20   25
27   33   34   39
45   47   48   49
56   58   60   63
65   66   67   68
70   71   74   75
79   84   85   86
88   93   95   97
100  102  103  107
108  111  116  118
120  121  122  123
125  126  128  135
138  141  148  151
155  159  168  173
175  176  177  178
179  180  181  190
191  192  195  203
217  223  224  226
229  231  233  234
236  237  238  246
247  250  254  269
271  279  288  291
292  293  294  302
314  316  326  329
330  334  335  337
339  340  341  342
343  348  353  354
357  358  362  364
365  375  379  386
395  399  401  435
456  457  461  462
469  476  488  494
498  501  503  522
527  537  540  545
555  558  573  597
604  611  612  614
618  619  648  668
670  675  677  694
696  703  714  716
744  752  768  771
811  816  829  830
832  835  842  857
862  876  903  904
910  922  932  935
967  987  989  997
1001 1002 1011 1013
1015 1024 1026 1029
1033 1038 1057 1065
1086 1087 1089 1100
1102 1111 1114 1124
1126 1127 1137 1138
1141 1153 1155 1188
1208 1216 1218 1230
1251 1266 1270 1280
1289 1302 1305 1311
1319 1323 1341 1369
1382 1403 1418 1425
1444 1450 1458 1501
1502 1503 1504 1506
1510 1511 1515 1516
1523 1525 1527 1533
1535 1539 1540 1555
1559 1563 1574 1583
1592 1595 1598 1601
1617 1622 1624 1636
1646 1647 1649 1655
1657 1662 1675 1676
1680 1683 1694 1700
1710 1712 1713 1714
1727 1730 1731 1732
1745 1746 1775 1795
1811 1816 1817 1824
1826 1846 1848 1850
1856 1860 1868 1872
1885 1902 1912 1929
1946 1950 1983 1985
1991 1997 2010 2016
2024 2026 2029 2046
2047 2053 2054 2056
2062 2067 2068 2079
2081 2083 2100 2108
2119 2134 2137 2158
2161 2165 2166 2169
2180 2182 2194 2217
2228 2234 2237 2252
2265 2272 2274 2283

is that official

[ericand]

You (1983) are therre now, as part of the 344. - 86 teams per division!

[BandChick]

Originally Posted by seraphim33

is that official

Originally Posted by ALIBI

Qualifying Teams have until Friday, April 6th to get the entry fee into the hands of FIRST. My guess is that the official lists will not be available until after then.

This is the Rumor Mill, after all... =)

[Nica F.]

Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman

Newton, for the win.

148, 254, 1114,.......

48, 379, 2010 - All Trumbull County Ohio teams together.

******This is NOT official, but it has to be getting close. This presumes FIRST uses the same divisional placement method they've used the past few years.

344 Teams:
 
C    G    N    A
4    16   20   25
27   33   34   39
45   47   48   49
56   58   60   63
65   66   67   68
70   71   74   75
79   84   85   86
88   93   95   97
100  102  103  107
108  111  116  118
120  121  122  123
125  126  128  135
138  141  148  151
155  159  168  173
175  176  177  178
179  180  181  190
191  192  195  203
217  223  224  226
229  231  233  234
236  237  238  246
247  250  254  269
271  279  288  291
292  293  294  302
314  316  326  329
330  334  335  337
339  340  341  342
343  348  353  354
357  358  362  364
365  375  379  386
395  399  401  435
456  457  461  462
469  476  488  494
498  501  503  522
527  537  540  545
555  558  573  597
604  611  612  614
618  619  648  668
670  675  677  694
696  703  714  716
744  752  768  771
811  816  829  830
832  835  842  857
862  876  903  904
910  922  932  935
967  987  989  997
1001 1002 1011 1013
1015 1024 1026 1029
1033 1038 1057 1065
1086 1087 1089 1100
1102 1111 1114 1124
1126 1127 1137 1138
1141 1153 1155 1188
1208 1216 1218 1230
1251 1266 1270 1280
1289 1302 1305 1311
1319 1323 1341 1369
1382 1403 1418 1425
1444 1450 1458 1501
1502 1503 1504 1506
1510 1511 1515 1516
1523 1525 1527 1533
1535 1539 1540 1555
1559 1563 1574 1583
1592 1595 1598 1601
1617 1622 1624 1636
1646 1647 1649 1655
1657 1662 1675 1676
1680 1683 1694 1700
1710 1712 1713 1714
1727 1730 1731 1732
1745 1746 1775 1795
1811 1816 1817 1824
1826 1846 1848 1850
1856 1860 1868 1872
1885 1902 1912 1929
1946 1950 1983 1985
1991 1997 2010 2016
2024 2026 2029 2046
2047 2053 2054 2056
2062 2067 2068 2079
2081 2083 2100 2108
2119 2134 2137 2158
2161 2165 2166 2169
2180 2182 2194 2217
2228 2234 2237 2252
2265 2272 2274 2283

boo they shifted ;/
Can anyone possibly give me an estimate to how many more teams may be added. I know it's not so much of an answerable question to ask, but what's a good range?

[The Lucas]

Originally Posted by RAWRimaPANDA

boo they shifted ;/
Can anyone possibly give me an estimate to how many more teams may be added. I know it's not so much of an answerable question to ask, but what's a good range?

0- any multiple of 4 up to 16 (ie 0, 4, 8, 12, 16)

16 more would be 90 teams per division (360 total), no surrogates. I think we can handle that (376 pit spots ). They certainly have no shortage of waitlist teams (like previous years).

However, I think 0 or 4 is more likely.

[Bill Enslen]

Originally Posted by The Lucas

16 more would be 90 teams per division (360 total), no surrogates.

Don't think for a minute that there will be no surrogates, even if all the numbers are evenly divisible by 4 and the number of matches per team. This year's scoring system seems fixated on ensuring that each match consist of one team from the first 1/3 of teams numerically, one team from the second 1/3, and one team from the last 1/3. The "thirds" appear to be across all 2007 registered FIRST teams, not just those teams attending a particular event or in a particular division. Thus, if there are more teams in the second and third thirds than there are in the first third, some teams in the first third will wind up with a surrogate match at the end.

Having said that, the scoring system developers have an extra week to tweak the system before the Championship Event. No telling what improvements they might make to it.

[pufame]

I'll laugh when FIRST decides to change their algorithm for creating the divisions. They did change the scheduling algorithm after all...

[The Lucas]

Originally Posted by Bill Enslen

The "thirds" appear to be across all 2007 registered FIRST teams, not just those teams attending a particular event or in a particular division. Thus, if there are more teams in the second and third thirds than there are in the first third, some teams in the first third will wind up with a surrogate match at the end.

The 3 pools DO fill up based on the particular teams at that event. Just compare Philly and Colorado match lists. If the number of teams is not divisible by 3, the lower number pool is the last to fill.

If each division has 90 teams that is 30 even in each pool, and 15 match average cycles. Now I am not saying the scheduling algorithm will not schedule 6 surrogates just for the heck of it, but it doesnt have to.

[Nawaid Ladak]

Originally Posted by pufame

I'll laugh when FIRST decides to change their algorithm for creating the divisions. They did change the scheduling algorithm after all...

funny you mention that, i was thinking thta two weeks ago

[Shayna]

I wouldnt be surprised if they changed it up.

[Joel J]

Yea.. here's what they do: break the list into 4 pools of teams. Pool 1 with the 344/4 lowest numbered teams, and pool 4 with the 344/4 highest numbered teams. The first matches this season have been so darn 1337 ub3tr g00d suepr crazzzy that the idea haver for this stupid (but good in theory) pooling systems decides, why the heck not.. one team from the top of each pool gets picked out and put in a division. With every pass a division gets one "super veteran," a "veteran," an "intermediate," and a "rookie."

[MasterChief 573]

Do you guys think that even though teams can register til friday we'll probably have the division (official or not) by the end of the day? I do.