Angel Wings

[Wayne Doenges]

These are our new and improved wings. We will be adding two each anti-backing devices and a strip of rubber around the perimeter at the top of the angle.
This should keep any robot planted on our wings.

[Gabe]

Those are beautiful! I have never actually seen a closeup of the ramps until now. Hope to see them soon.

[rachal]

Are those made out of anodized aluminum?

....and that might be more rivets than our 2006 bot contained. Wow.

[Madison]

How much does each weigh?

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by rachal

Are those made out of anodized aluminum?

....and that might be more rivets than our 2006 bot contained. Wow.

Not more than their 2006 (or 2005) bot though
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/23151
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/20393

[pakratt1991]

Where are you working on those wings?
It looks like you are in a shop...
Isn't it against the rules of FIRST to make improvements to the parts you make in between competitions?

[pakratt1991]

I hate to sound like this.
but this is against the rules, this is not fair, my team thought of this problem during build season and implementing those new platforms gives you a significant advantage of being able to improve your robot after competition.

to site my source

<R19> During the “FIX-IT WINDOWS” following the shipment of the ROBOT: During this period, all
teams may utilize one or two 5-hour FIX-IT-WINDOWS to manufacture SPARE and
REPLACEMENT PARTS and develop software for their ROBOT at their home facility.
Fabrication of UPGRADE PARTS is not permitted during this period. The timing of these
“FIX-IT WINDOWS” is at the discretion of the team, but all work must be completed by
5:00pm on the Friday following the ROBOT shipment deadline. Teams may manufacture all
the SPARE and REPLACEMENT parts they want, but the amount of parts they can bring to
a competition event is limited (as specified in Rule <R31>).

[IndySam]

Originally Posted by pakratt1991

I hate to sound like this.
but this is against the rules, this is not fair, my team thought of this problem during build season and implementing those new platforms gives you a significant advantage of being able to improve your robot after competition.

to site my source

That rule is for the windows between shiping and the first regionals. You are allowed to fabricate upgrade parts in the windows durring the regional time period.

I don't have my rules with me. Can someone else quote it please.

[Greg Needel]

Originally Posted by pakratt1991

I hate to sound like this.
but this is against the rules, this is not fair, my team thought of this problem during build season and implementing those new platforms gives you a significant advantage of being able to improve your robot after competition.

to site my source

while what you are saying may be correct, this picture appears to be a replacement part. it says in the caption of the photo that

"We will be adding two each anti-backing devices and a strip of rubber around the perimeter at the top of the angle."

if they don't do this until the competition then it would be perfectly legal, assuming that these are just replacement parts.

[pakratt1991]

while what you are saying may be correct, this picture appears to be a replacement part. it says in the caption of the photo that

"We will be adding two each anti-backing devices and a strip of rubber around the perimeter at the top of the angle."

if they don't do this until the competition then it would be perfectly legal, assuming that these are just replacement parts.

Actually they are not replacement parts, if you look they removed a couple of the angled sides from the platform and replaced them with a strait side. it's not replacement part, it's a different part.

But it does not matter, I should have read farther down on the rules. Either way it took me reading this 3 times to completely understand it.

R22> During the “FIX-IT WINDOW” following each Regional Competition weekend: During this
period, all teams (not just those teams attending a Regional Competition) may utilize one or
two 5-hour FIX-IT-WINDOWS to manufacture SPARE, REPLACEMENT and UPGRADE
PARTS and develop software for their ROBOT at their home facility (not at the competition
site). The timing of these “FIX-IT WINDOWS” is at the discretion of the team, but all work
must be completed between the opening of the Competition (at 8:30 am on the Thursday
of the Competition weekend) and 8:30 am on the Thursday following the Competition
weekend. At the conclusion of a regional competition event, teams may take a limited
amount of broken or malfunctioning COMPONENTS or MECHANISMS back to their home
facility to make SPARE or REPLACEMENT PARTS. The purpose of this rule is to allow
teams to make critical repairs to existing parts to enable them to compete in following
events. The intent of this rule is not to have teams take their entire ROBOT back home and
make large-scale revisions or upgrades to the ROBOT. Teams may manufacture and/or
repair all the parts they want, but the amount of parts they can bring to the competition
event is limited (as specified in Rule <R31>).

As I understand this rule, teams that win in the first week regional and then go to nationals have a total of 50 hours that they are allowed to build UPGRADE parts for their robot, is that accurate?
I still think this is unfair.
now all I have to ask is how much does each platform weigh?

[Dan Petrovic]

Originally Posted by IndySam

That rule is for the windows between shiping and the first regionals. You are allowed to fabricate upgrade parts in the windows durring the regional time period.

I don't have my rules with me. Can someone else quote it please.

<R31> Teams may bring a maximum of 25 pounds of custom FABRICATED ITEMS (SPARE
PARTS, REPLACEMENT PARTS, and/or UPGRADE PARTS) to each competition event to
be used to repair and/or upgrade their ROBOT at the competition site. All other
FABRICATED ITEMS to be used on the ROBOT during the competition must arrive at the
competition venue packed in the shipping crate with the ROBOT.

That being said. As long as they are less than 25 pounds, it's legal.

[Wayne Doenges]

These wings were manufactured during three, 5 hour, fix-it windows. Two during one week after a regional and one after another regional week. This was perfectly legal per this rule:
<R22> During the “FIX-IT WINDOW” following each Regional Competition weekend: During this period, all teams (not just those teams attending a Regional Competition) may utilize one or two 5-hour FIX-IT-WINDOWS to manufacture SPARE, REPLACEMENT and UPGRADE PARTS and develop software for their ROBOT at their home facility (not at the competition
site). The timing of these “FIX-IT WINDOWS” is at the discretion of the team, but all work must be completed between the opening of the Competition (at 8:30 am on the Thursday of the Competition weekend) and 8:30 am on the Thursday following the Competition weekend.

Are those made out of anodized aluminum?

They are made of .032" T6 6061 aluminum. Very light and very strong. The holes are flanged upward to minimize tearing.

How much does each weigh?

About 15 pounds. That's 2 pounds lighter than the original

[pakratt1991]

Originally Posted by Wayne Doenges

About 15 pounds. That's 2 pounds lighter than the original

so you may only replace 1 at competition

[pakratt1991]

alright,
I'm pulling my nose out of this one.
but I hope that gracious professionalism kicks in and the rules of FIRST are followed here.

I wont follow up on this anymore, but as a great mentor just told me three seconds ago,
If they want to win that bad, let 'em

[roboticsguy1988]

Originally Posted by pakratt1991

alright,
I'm pulling my nose out of this one.
but I hope that gracious professionalism kicks in and the rules of FIRST are followed here.

I wont follow up on this anymore, but as a great mentor just told me three seconds ago,
If they want to win that bad, let 'em

Please do not use "Gracious Prefessionalism" against us. We follow the rules. One wing is complete at 15 pounds. The other wing is not complete, and both wings together add up to be below the 25 pound limit.

Here is what we are doing. When we get there we will swap one wing. The old win that is taken off will be taken apart and the spars which are the two arms that attach to our robot will be taken out. They will then be put into the 2nd new wing. The 2nd new wing therefore is not fully assembled and we do not have all the parts made for it. We are using old parts off the robot to make the new second wing.

Therefore we are withing the rules and under the weight limit especially since we did it within the 5 hour work windows allowed. If you have any questions about that you can contact me. I do not appreciate being accused of cheating, accusing a team of such is not being very "Gracious" or "Professional" now is it?