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Re: Championship 2007 - Atlanta - What Needs To Be Improved

IMHO, pushing/pinning penalties were not called evenly on Galileo during the Eliminations. During Qualifying matches, there was 1 or 2 refs in particular that would be SCREAMING the count for how long one bot had been pinning another (which is fine... This is the rule.) Then, during the Eliminations, a bot would be pushing another one for 8 or 9 seconds, and the ref(s) had not even started the count. It would be up to 15 or 20 seconds before one bot let go of the other, which calls for a penalty according to the rules. Perhaps the refs were distracted with looking at other calls, but in my opinion, this is huge (BTW, I'm not complaining because my team got screwed by it (which we didn't), I'm just saying it doesn't seem fair.)

Other than that, I felt like the end of the Final Finals could have been a bit more exciting (confetti perhaps, although I have read all about the evil balloons), or perhaps fireworks, or something. But I've never attended champs, so I don't have anything to compare it to.

Having to walk to the GWCC from the floor to get up to the stands was annoying; Perhaps they could take a section on the side of the fields where no-one was sitting and open the stairs there. Seeing 1-3 hour breaks between matches, and our pit crew being able to handle our bot, it was annoying, not to mention tiring, for drivers to have to walk for half an hour each way to just sit with the team.

Perhaps color-coordinating the operator badges by division (and then FVC and FLL) would have been helpful. Not sure what difference this would have made, but when in the tunnel to get over to the dome, it would have been nice to know if a bot was in your division, so that you could pay a bit more attention to the design, drivers, etc.

Parking price reduction. Not sure how. But I had some friends in the ATL area (within an hour away) that were turned off by coming to simply watch the event because of parking prices. I think that offering some kind of compensation would increase outside spectator participation.

Covered already, but the LED displays were horrendous. It was painful to watch the screen, let alone tell what was being displayed on it.

Audio on fields. Seemed like the music on Newton was really loud (good in my opinion), while on Galileo, it was barely audible. There should be some kind of standard between the fields. Or play one song throughout the whole venue, really loudly.

Tube supply. Was really confused by this. Why were so many Keepers blown up ... Seemed to me that very few of these were popped/cut away, but it seemed like every time I was in queue, there was someone on one of the fields blowing Keepers up. Not really a complaint. Just confused.

Queueing time announcement. The people in the pits emphasized that we leave our pit AT LEAST 40 minutes prior to a match, and then when we got to the dome, the queuer looked at us funny because we were 6 matches early. And then we sat. I guess if you knew not to listen to the people at pit admin, you would have been OK, but as a rookie team, we followed this every time.

I know I shouldn't complain about this, but my sister was just bugging me about it. The Food. I will now quote her. "It tasted like someone threw it up, and they refried it, and served it to you in a cardboard box." That's all I'll say. I personally was not offended by this venue food (I have seen worse.)

That's about it for now. I know I started off saying that I didn't have too much to complain about, but I guess I really thought about it. I was EXTREMELY happy with the event. Just suggestions for improvement.

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Re: Championship 2007 - Atlanta - What Needs To Be Improved

Our family attended the Nationals though our team didn't, so we moved from field to field to check out matches during all 3 days.

I think the rule that is used during hockey games (maybe in other sports) should be followed - no standing/walking to a seat while a game is in play. We were trying to watch matches and would have a handful of people stand up after their team played and just stand - I don't know if there should be an announcement about that or ? but it was very frustrating for us to try and keep up with the action on the field.

We did find it funny that the speaker from Coca Cola encouraged us to visit The World of Coke, as it's currently closed and will not be opened until late May.
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Re: Championship 2007 - Atlanta - What Needs To Be Improved

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Being one of those who is only able to watch matches from a dorm room, I'd really like to see an improvement in the webcasts. The quality doesn't bother me as much as the camara choice; it seems that whenever a robot is disabled and not moving the camara has an urge to zoom in on it while robot X on the other side of the field does a backflip and scores 5000 points. I'd really like to see some better choices in camara angles next year.
This is something I definitely noticed. Myself and a few members of my team gathered on Saturday to watch the webcast of the eliminations. The biggest thing we noticed was a LOT of excessive zooming. There would be extended periods (5+) seconds where all you saw was an electronics board or some pneumatic accumulators.

We want to see robots scoring! Not a random section of some teams bumpers.
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Re: Championship 2007 - Atlanta - What Needs To Be Improved

I have a handful of complaints for this year's championship.

1. Consistency in Calls-The consistency in reffing was very strange. What was a penalty at regionals was not at Championship and what was a penalty on one field was no problem on another. It is impossible for two fields to make the same calls, but things that are called on one should be called on another.

2. Chairman's Presentation-I can understand not putting the balloons up, but we need something to go along with the presentation. Fireworks, confetti for the ceiling, the band playing, something. I love to hear the Chairmans finalists, and for them to get rid of it is upsetting. Would you rather finish second or not at all. Maybe the three judges awards become Chairmans finalist awards, just a suggestion.

3. Signs on Sticks-People, having spirit is great, showing off your team is sweet, and showing love to your drivers is fun, but during the match put down your big signs and sit down. It makes it easier to see the field and watch the competition.

4. Alliance Draft-This is a two part problem. I hate to see an even field. No more serpentine draft please. Two eight seeds won in the first round, something that should rarely happen. The Number one seed has only a marginal advantage, when everyone is even. My other problem was with teams showing up late. If you are in the top eight, be there extra early, please to get through the process.

These are just things that bugged me all weekend. It was still a great competition and I am excited for next year.
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Re: Championship 2007 - Atlanta - What Needs To Be Improved

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2. Chairman's Presentation-I can understand not putting the balloons up, but we need something to go along with the presentation. Fireworks, confetti for the ceiling, the band playing, something. I love to hear the Chairmans finalists, and for them to get rid of it is upsetting. Would you rather finish second or not at all. Maybe the three judges awards become Chairmans finalist awards, just a suggestion.
I agree. I was watching on the webcast and the award felt totally anticlimactic. Firstly because I was wondering about honorable mentions, and secondly because there was almost no production. I realize that the balloons bothered people, so that should not be repeated, but there were fireworks in 2005 when HOT won, and that didn't make it hard for anyone to see. The chairman's announcement is my favorite part of the year, and my team isn't even in the running for it. But this was just not exciting.

On that note, considering that EI is supposed to be the 2nd highest award in FIRST, I don't think that it should be wedged in between matches. I think that they should finish the matches, then do EI, then CA. Although I do understand the time constraints and I like that awards are done in between, I don't think that EI should be.

The commercials on the web cast were definitely an issue. I wanted to see teams cheering and people dancing and teams setting up their robots. Instead I got to see the same commercials over and over, and I couldn't even hear them. Not to mention missing part of the match. I agree with those who suggested split camera angles. During one match, my team scored in auto, but I couldn't see it because the cameras were focusing on the other alliance, which didn't even move.
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Re: Championship 2007 - Atlanta - What Needs To Be Improved

My biggest issue is with the FVC competition
They were late with the match list anyway so why did they not remove the no show so that teams in a Championship competition where left solo. I know at our qualifier they ran the match lists about 30 min before the start of the matches to assure that everyteam was at least present.
For the awards you could not hear a thing because of the FRC fields.
They could have allowed the teams to play one more match each then do eliminations and awards on Friday night. Our team had both FRC and FVC so during awards most of our team was split between the two instead of celebrating the team that was ending their competition.
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Re: Championship 2007 - Atlanta - What Needs To Be Improved

I think the only improvements that I suggest are made are:
1. Explanation of the penalties. There were times on Curie when the match results weren't even shown. I know it only happened a couple of times, but if you aren't able to hear well, it is vital to see who won. And there were quite a few penalties that I had no clue as to why they were called. Just a little explanation, especially for those who aren't directly involved in FIRST, and don't know the rule book inside and out.

2. I also think that they should not have even made the announcement about the tubes until after the Chairman's Award. It caused a lot of commotion, and even when they went back and said to wait, there were still people running down to get them.

3. Maybe show a quick schedule in between finals matches on the screen to show what awards will be given, and between which matches... and so on. And the Chairman's could be in much larger font, bold, and underlined for emphasis on its importance. Or something so that teams wait and the winners can experience the true feeling of winning this prestigious award surrounded by teams that know exactly what you've been working for and can appreciate your win with respect.
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Re: Championship 2007 - Atlanta - What Needs To Be Improved

I wish the fields would show the current rankings through out the day. Or at least have some monitors in the stadium dedicated to that. There was absolutely no way to see them unless you went into the pits. I didn't want to spend the time to walk back and forth after matches. I wish that they would show the scholarship award winners on the screens like in previous years. Have they even given out scholarships yet? Between matches they would just keep repeating those commercials. I appreciate the need to show them, but they were a little excessive.
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Re: Championship 2007 - Atlanta - What Needs To Be Improved

About teams leaving before Chairmans:
This has always been an issue, but it isn't really avoidable. Many teams had flights they had to catch, and were not able to say later, they had to leave when they did.


My biggest complaint is the lack of Chairman's honorable mentions. Bring 'em back!
Also, some of the reffing was questionable (at best).
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Re: Championship 2007 - Atlanta - What Needs To Be Improved

I was knida bummed when in chairmans award interview we did not get a 1 minute warning. From talking with other teams and also my own experience, all the regional chairmans interviews got 1 minute warning.
I mean it was no big deal but we got cutt off a little
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Re: Championship 2007 - Atlanta - What Needs To Be Improved

I too agree about the honorable mention award.

I was dissapointed in the fact that there semed to just be less energy towards the end of the competition and in the lack of confetti.

I thought the wrap party was good, it coulda used some more lighting but I guess that would have changed the effect.

Also, ther were some calls that I thought should have ben called, such as when Wildstang was tipped over during elimination matches in the Newton division with no call made.

Other than that I though it was great.
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Re: Championship 2007 - Atlanta - What Needs To Be Improved

My biggest complaint was the sound system in the pits. Our team brought extra motors, BB transmissions, and other extra stuff to share with other teams, but I never could understand a single thing they ever said on the microphone. Most of the time I can only hear about half of the team number and can never make out exactly what they need. I want to help other teams!!!

I gave up on the announcement system and simply went from pit to pit (To the team with 3/8" steel rod in Curie, thank you!). I think there would be a lot more of teams helping other teams if something was done about this.
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Re: Championship 2007 - Atlanta - What Needs To Be Improved

1. Better ref calls, there were so many penalties the refs didn't give until after our match scores were announced and penalties that weren't given in the first place, like one robot rammed into ours and tipped over, refs told us they don't get the penaltie for that because they weren't at full speed .

2. "Field Faults" - I don't know, something happened during the Curie final, replaying match 2 of the finals

3.Alliance algorithim(sp?) - there were so many bad alliances and it cause so many good teams to be lower than they should have been.

4. The tube annoucements near the end, they should have done that after all the awards because immediately everyone stood up to rush down to the field.

5.The "commercials" - I think it would have better if they did close ups of the drivers getting ready, the crowds cheering, I don't know, the energy seemed lower than it could have been.

6.Teams staying within their pit area with their robot, cart, decorations, and etc. - just some of the teams I noticed.
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Re: Championship 2007 - Atlanta - What Needs To Be Improved

A nuisance at the championships was the ridiculous lengths that people are extending to in order to win the safety award. A fine line between safety and annoyance exists and the line was crossed. The award should be done away with completely or modified to include words like professionally or "not in a way that bothers everyone while contributing next to nothing in terms of safety."
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Re: Championship 2007 - Atlanta - What Needs To Be Improved

[quote=dangerousdave;617071]I was very disappointed in the few thousand people that got up and left the dome following the finals last match Saturday night. That was disrespectful of the teams that competed and had not yet received their trophy's and very disrespectful of the 37 teams competing for the Chairmans award. These people were making a lot of noise while they exited and could easily be heard in the stands during the ceremony. Perhaps First should have mentioned not to leave following the last match but most everyone should have known this.

well we kinda had to leave early. i really wanted to stay quite frankly but some ppl had to be somewhere on sunday so we didnt even get to go to the party
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