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Re: Championship 2007 - Atlanta - What Needs To Be Improved

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So Championships are going to be at Atlanta next year??? i heard something about St. Louis but we werent sure. but thats awesome if its going to be there next year...I love atlanta!!

i agree weather def. needs to be better, lol. the team social needs to be planned after finals are over. o and the music on galileo this year wasnt loud haha that def. needs to be turned up a bit. haha
but nothing major needs to be changed i think they do a great job in setting it all up and how they do the awards and such.
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Re: Championship 2007 - Atlanta - What Needs To Be Improved

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So Championships are going to be at Atlanta next year??? i heard something about St. Louis but we werent sure. but thats awesome if its going to be there next year...I love atlanta!!

i agree weather def. needs to be better, lol. the team social needs to be planned after finals are over. o and the music on galileo this year wasnt loud haha that def. needs to be turned up a bit. haha
but nothing major needs to be changed i think they do a great job in setting it all up and how they do the awards and such.
The Championship Event will be held in Atlanta, at the Georgia Dome, for the next two years, at least.


As to feeling safe in Atlanta, I did. The rest of my team, however, did not. I know there was a shooting in the CNN Center area on Thursday, but in no way did I feel threatened.

I think I've already complained once in this tread, but I want to make another point. That point, though, I have forgotten, sorry.
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Re: Championship 2007 - Atlanta - What Needs To Be Improved

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The directing and camera work on the video sent out to the NASA channel and the webcasts. I simply don't think that the folks doing it are familiar enough with the subject matter to produce an excellent product for their audiences.

I have little doubt that they are fine craftsmen, but as a viewer, I felt that they far too often concentrated on the wrong things or on the right things at the wrong times.

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Re: Championship 2007 - Atlanta - What Needs To Be Improved



Thats awesome Championships is in atlanta! that makes me so happY!!
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Re: Championship 2007 - Atlanta - What Needs To Be Improved

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The directing and camera work on the video sent out to the NASA channel and the webcasts. I simply don't think that the folks doing it are familiar enough with the subject matter to produce an excellent product for their audiences.

I have little doubt that they are fine craftsmen, but as a viewer, I felt that they far too often concentrated on the wrong things or on the right things at the wrong times.
You have to remember why they are producing the video. Their primary goal is to produce video for the big screen at the event. They nicely allow us to webcast and archive their feed, but that's not the reason they are there. The production company used by FIRST has been involved for a long time - they know what they're doing and I'm pretty certain they understand the subject matter.

The problem is, things that would be good for the webcasts (like a wide view of the full field) don't work well for the big screen at the event. People at the event can already see the whole field so they're more interested in close-ups.
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Re: Championship 2007 - Atlanta - What Needs To Be Improved

Actually, I think there is a way to run another field in the Dome. (I say field for a reason: with 34 channels that are not user-selectable, you can run only five six-robot fields. If you went back to 2v2, you could run eight...but FIRST seems to like 3v3, so we'll use that.)

Suppose that each of these five divisions played a standard qualification load, then went through alliance selection. From there, the alliance captains are sorted as though they were all on the same field. Once that's done, set up one uberbracket (with first-round byes) that spans all five divisions, with the number of fields used shrinking as rounds progress. The final four alliances--no divisional champions here--play on Einstein.

Yes, there are drawbacks to this arrangement. Call it how you'd like.

On the subject of safety, I will say that I was a little sketched out as I walked from CNN center back to my car at the Dome on Thursday night. I encountered a rather boisterous conversation near Philips Arena, which I sort of steered around, and then was approached by someone who was apparently a temp working the Championship looking for information (I had to proclaim ignorance, though I guess my badge made me look official enough), then was asked by the same gentleman if I could spare bus fare. (I couldn't, citing my college-student status.) A voice from far behind shouted "You don't look like a college student!" as I reached the escalator--let's say I hastened my descent towards the Gold Deck. However, it was late, I was a little dumb for walking solo wearing things that shouted "NOT FROM AROUND THESE PARTS", and it's the first time my sketch-o-meter has gone way up the scale since I started going to the Championship in 2004. Call that one how you'd like as well.
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Re: Championship 2007 - Atlanta - What Needs To Be Improved

I'm not sure if this has/hasn't been brought up in this thread, but I'm going to say it anyway.

I think that the medals that you get for getting division champion should be different from the "gold" medals you get at regionals. I'm not saying have a different one for each division (Newton, Archimedes, Curie, Galileo), just maybe add something that say "Division Champions" or "Championship" just so that even if your team does not win the whole thing (where, BTW, the medals are different) there is still a distinction between your regional medals and championship [division] medals without having to write it yourself on the back.
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Re: Championship 2007 - Atlanta - What Needs To Be Improved

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2- Sound....Also, during the FVC awards, I couldn't hear anything the judges were saying. We were seated off to the right of the stage, closer to Newton, but not close enough that you would expect to only hear what's going on in the FRC match and nothing from the section you were sitting in.
As the Vol. Coordinator on FVC at Champs last year I could not hear the speeches during the awards ceremony, nor who won the awards, and I was on the field. I complained to FIRST about this last year; I was hoping something would be done this year to correct the situation and it wasn't. FVC award winners deserve better than this.
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Re: Championship 2007 - Atlanta - What Needs To Be Improved

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I'm not sure if this has/hasn't been brought up in this thread, but I'm going to say it anyway.

I think that the medals that you get for getting division champion should be different from the "gold" medals you get at regionals. I'm not saying have a different one for each division (Newton, Archimedes, Curie, Galileo), just maybe add something that say "Division Champions" or "Championship" just so that even if your team does not win the whole thing (where, BTW, the medals are different) there is still a distinction between your regional medals and championship [division] medals without having to write it yourself on the back.
I don't know, this sounds like a great idea and would be nice to be implemented for each different regional. BUT this would require at least one new cast for the supplier and they can be very expensive. Therefore, I don't foresee it happening.
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I don't know, this sounds like a great idea and would be nice to be implemented for each different regional. BUT this would require at least one new cast for the supplier and they can be very expensive. Therefore, I don't foresee it happening.
The medals awarded simply need different lanyards. This is just a different embroidery task, and wouldn't cost nearly as much as getting an entirely different medal cast.
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The medals awarded simply need different lanyards. This is just a different embroidery task, and wouldn't cost nearly as much as getting an entirely different medal cast.
There you go... I overlooked that solution. It would possibly be MUCH cheaper to have a different lanyard personalized for each regional/division than medal. I've got 3 silver medals and the only way I can tell the difference is from the year date. What if I got more than one in a year? Then I'd be like, "This one is from Magnolia, no this one is, and this one's from Internationals, wait... no, that's not right, I'm so confused." But in a situation like that, both medals are the same, it doesn't make a difference. And I just contradicted myself, again.
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There you go... I overlooked that solution. It would possibly be MUCH cheaper to have a different lanyard personalized for each regional/division than medal. I've got 3 silver medals and the only way I can tell the difference is from the year date. What if I got more than one in a year? Then I'd be like, "This one is from Magnolia, no this one is, and this one's from Internationals, wait... no, that's not right, I'm so confused." But in a situation like that, both medals are the same, it doesn't make a difference. And I just contradicted myself, again.
I agree, it would be nice to have some way to tell them apart. (Right now I have masking tape with the event on the back of all of mine so I don't get them confused) Having a different lanyard would be a more cost effective way to tell them apart.
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Re: Championship 2007 - Atlanta - What Needs To Be Improved

[quote=GRaduns340;617558]Not having been in the stands for much of the competition I don't know how things went out there, but I do agree that the algorithm really hurt a lot of teams. Just an example, team 316 was the second seed alliance at FLR this year, a well-deserved spot. Then at Championship they didn't win a single match and came in dead last. I might not know the whole story there, but that seemed more than a little unfair.

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We should have enountered 35 different robots on the field; we only encountered 29 due to duplications/repeats.
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How about adding a scout only area. Pass out a number of badges per team, 6 to 10. This would allow unobstructed views for the scouts and everyone else could go crazy, dance stand up and basically act like fools with impunity. It would also allow for a bit more collaboration among teams since you will be sitting with other people who have the same goals as you.

I noticed the view from the second tier was outstanding and perfect for taking full field video and scouting, but no one is allowed up there until the awards ceremony. That might be a good place for the scouting section. Bring your binoculars though if you want to read the numbers on the robots.

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Re: Championship 2007 - Atlanta - What Needs To Be Improved

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Not having been in the stands for much of the competition I don't know how things went out there, but I do agree that the algorithm really hurt a lot of teams. Just an example, team 316 was the second seed alliance at FLR this year, a well-deserved spot. Then at Championship they didn't win a single match and came in dead last. I might not know the whole story there, but that seemed more than a little unfair.

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We should have enountered 35 different robots on the field; we only encountered 29 due to duplications/repeats.
Suggestion: have a human look over the match sheets once the computer generates them.

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Having a human look wouldn't work at all. You'd need a human to either have an amazing memory to notice certain things that show up, such as the same team playing with or against the same teams two or three times, in a match list of over 80 teams in 100+ matches, in 4 divisions, that would be hard in it's own right. Even if you had the manpower, how would you correctly change it making it "fair" for all teams. Having a human swap things around would be make it even more of an algorithm of doom.
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