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Unread 10-06-2007, 19:11
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Re: What does it take to brick an RCX (no pun intended)?

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General failures have more to do with batteries then with anything else. Make sure that all the battery compartments are clean, i.e. no leaked batteries, all contact points are clean, and no foreign matter anywhere (like cookie crumbs). Then check that all the contacts press against the batteries tightly. You should not be able to turn the RCX over and have any batteries fall out. You might have to use a small screwdriver to pry some life back into the contacts. When in doubt make sure that the firmware is properly loaded or load it again. One of the students might have dropped the RCX pushing one of the batteries out of alignment for long enough to corrupt the firmware. IR illuminators in use on security cameras can play havoc with downloads so watch for cameras in your class room. If you have checked all of the above and you still have a problem, look for dings in the case (rounded corners, cracked LCD, etc.) indicating a drop. There may be no coming back from a cracked circuit board. As you know, the motors don't survive a drop either. If you can't easily back crive a motor, it is likely to have been dropped which either bends the shaft or deforms the motor case.
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Re: What does it take to brick an RCX (no pun intended)?

I have never had a problem with my RCX. The only problems I have had is a messed up touch sensor (came like that) and what I'm going to build next. The other thing is that I don't usually watch my battery power. Always keep your program files backed up, otherwise, you are SOL.
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Re: What does it take to brick an RCX (no pun intended)?

I don't think I'd worry too much about the Mindstorms RCX bricks.

I've been involved with FLL since 2002, and I've never seen any of the students I've mentored break any of them. I've seen them drop them (multiple times!), put all the batteries in the wrong direction, plug motors and sensors on the wrong ports, plug the motor output onto the sensor inputs, and the list goes on and on. (Leave it to 12-year old kids to find as many ways as possible to try to void the warranty...) All stories short, they all survived.

Generally, the motors are pretty robust as well. Only twice I've seen kids drop them and shear the shafts off the motors, and once there was a kid who would always try to attach wheels to the motor and manually spin it as fast as possible (stripping out the gears on the inside). In normal use, as long as they're geared down correctly, they should never burn out.
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Re: What does it take to brick an RCX (no pun intended)?

I had a fence climbing bot fall 15 feet onto a concrete surface without any serious damage. The same RCX has survived 7 years of FLL on a team that:

-likes fast robots
-uses the "ram into wall to correct angle" approach to self correcting.

In general, mindstorms components are quite strong. I've only had one out of something like 25 motors burn out, and that was in an experiment to test the strength of the motors that looked kind of like this The only real problem I've had is with the toutch sensors jamming or becoming unable to detect a push after repeated, strenuous use, such as the wall hitting described above.

In my experience, RCXs acting weird are more than likely IR issues. I have seen robots at FLL competitions do some REALLY weird things due to IR focusing cameras. As others have said, changing batteries or realoading firmware usually solves the problem

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Re: What does it take to brick an RCX (no pun intended)?

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The only real problem I've had is with the toutch sensors jamming or becoming unable to detect a push after repeated, strenuous use, such as the wall hitting described above.
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Yeah, I once spray painted a bunch of touch sensors (I thought I completely covered the button part), and apparently some of the paint got inside.... because the sensors stopped working. But that's not normal classroom use.....
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Re: What does it take to brick an RCX (no pun intended)?

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In my experience, RCXs acting weird are more than likely IR issues. I have seen robots at FLL competitions do some REALLY weird things due to IR focusing cameras. As others have said, changing batteries or realoading firmware usually solves the problem
I've seen the "impact test onto concrete" before, on the team I mentored, and the RCX worked. Another team tell about the "punt test"--apparently the kid who did that was told to take the RCX out before doing that again, but the RCX survived.

Batteries and firmware--change the batteries fast, you don't need to reload the firmware.

IR: We had issues our first year with an FLL team. The program worked right sometimes but not others. Then one of the dads shut off his camera's autofocus, which used IR ranging. The robot worked much better, for some odd reason. (Also, there are LEGO remotes. Keep those hidden/unpowered.)
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Re: What does it take to brick an RCX (no pun intended)?

Heres a quick story...

way back in 2002 was the first year nationals hosted a lego competition, and low and behold our lego team was invited to compete. We packed our bot into hard plastic cases and were on our way. Someone was supposed to take the robot out of the big box that was being checked on to the plane.

No one did...thus, the robot underwent the trip on the plane from the luggage compartment. When we got to florida, we opened the box only to find a pile of lego pieces and an RCX....the RCX, worked flawlessly...even all the programs were intact...the robot, well lets just say we spent a considerable amount of time that night rebuilding her.
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