IFI Responds to the Community

[Arefin Bari]

I have read this thread quite a few times. IFI responded back, now let's wait to hear a response back from FIRST. Let's not jump on a bandwagon to bash FIRST or anyone else for that matter. Let's not speak without knowing the "facts." If you say something please have valid reasonings behind it. =)

[Ian Curtis]

Originally Posted by Arefin Bari

I have read this thread quite a few times. IFI responded back, now let's wait to hear a response back from FIRST. Let's not jump on a bandwagon to bash FIRST or anyone else for that matter. Let's not speak without knowing the "facts." If you say something please have valid reasonings behind it. =)

If FIRST issues a statement, I would be very surprised. This isn't a problem like the Banebots failing, or the radios not responding. As of now, there aren't millions of dollars on the line, and there aren't tens of thousands of people involved. Most likely a large portion of teams and team members don't even know about the prospective platform change (Honestly, how many of the people on your team actually get informed of the email blasts or check usfirst.org regularly?).

In all likelyhood, the only people who care are some of the "hardcore" FIRSTers, and IFI. I'd be willing to bet FIRST HQ has seen this thread (or at least IFI's press release), but I don't believe we don't constitute a large enough audience to make a statement worth it. If IFI isn't worth informing, why are we worth informing?

[AdamHeard]

If FIRST changes platforms, they will likely only change to a superior platform. It would make no sense to change to a platform that is inferior.

In that case, there is really no reason to complain NOW. We have no details, and this change is literally years away. How about we wait until we absolutely know what will happen, and absolutely know the capabilities of the replacement before we complain (Same goes for the 2009 control system for FRC).

[ZZII 527]

They (FIRST reps) will probably talk with IFI and whomever the new control system supplier would be (if there is one already, but I can't imagine there not being one in mind given the situation) before they make an official statement.

I agree that it isn't a pressing build season crisis; all the proposed changes are for the 2009 season. So I wouldn't expect a statement immediately. But to not offer any explanation at all would be strange/disappointing. Even if it is strictly a business decision, some other supplier is giving a huge donation or something, I think the explanation is worth something.

[steveg]

Originally Posted by iCurtis

As of now, there aren't millions of dollars on the line.

Here's where I think you're wrong. While I don't know the specifics of IFI's contract for FIRST, keep in mind what they provide to each team for FRC. Also keep in mind the engineers and support that they have at each regional and at Atlanta. That's got to be a fairly substantial contract. Also keep in mind the size of Vex and it's current growth trend. If IFI loses that contract, while it's not a huge chunk of IFI's profit currently, they will certainly be losing out on a large chunk of potential profits.

[Ian Curtis]

Originally Posted by steveg

Here's where I think you're wrong. While I don't know the specifics of IFI's contract for FIRST, keep in mind what they provide to each team for FRC. Also keep in mind the engineers and support that they have at each regional and at Atlanta. That's got to be a fairly substantial contract. Also keep in mind the size of Vex and it's current growth trend. If IFI loses that contract, while it's not a huge chunk of IFI's profit currently, they will certainly be losing out on a large chunk of potential profits.

Releveant

IFI makes their money with Rack Solutions. I do agree though that if FTC does move away from Vex, IFI stands to lose significant Vex sales.

Perhaps SECOND teams can go to FTC events and do sales pitches for Vex?

Originally Posted by dlavery

This is one of the most important statements in the story. For several years, many FIRST teams have been assuming that IFI makes most of their money from sales to teams and FIRST (and admit it, there have even been some less-than-gracious near accusations of price gouging, etc. on these very forums). A few have known, and this statement verifies, that IFI makes their money elsewhere (can you say "Dell Users"? ) and uses those funds to support and subsidize their FIRST-related activities. There is a hidden, but very significant, contribution that IFI makes every year in terms of product development, sales costs, and support to every team out there. This is enabled by their "other business" that most of us do not see (and may not even have been aware of). This is a good story, and helps shed a little light on just how much the folks at IFI put an emphasis on thier corporate participateion in FIRST to help the teams out there. Next time you see someone from IFI at a competition, you might want to just wander by and say "thank you!" - I am sure they will appreciate it. Unless it is JVN, in which case you can just rub his head.

-dave