AndyMark transmissions at IRI

[GaryVoshol]

Originally Posted by Chris Fultz

HOWEVER, Team 234 will volunteer to use these "unproven" devices in 2008 and then report back to the other 1500 FIRST teams on how they do. Then, maybe you can consider them for 2009.

Originally Posted by Richard

However, I think in the interest of statistically valid engineering test results, 931 will graciously undertake the same experiment.

Originally Posted by chris31

Haha, I was thinking the same thing. We would be more than willing to test them for AM before they sell them

Originally Posted by eshteyn

team 375 will gladly put the transmissions to the test,

Seems like you should have a rookie team test them as well, to check for ease of implementation and driving skills needed. I may be able to help out with that.

[Chris Marra]

By the sound of these new features, will the Super Shifters be entirely replacing the Gen 2 transmissions? I had originally thought that they would cost marginally more for the added features like encoder mounts, but it now sounds as though they are essentially the Gen 3 design, and if so, will the price point remain the same?

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Chris Marra

By the sound of these new features, will the Super Shifters be entirely replacing the Gen 2 transmissions? I had originally thought that they would cost marginally more for the added features like encoder mounts, but it now sounds as though they are essentially the Gen 3 design, and if so, will the price point remain the same?

The generation 2 shifter will still be sold. Andy said they will not be discontinuing any products, just so that people who bought them previously can still continue to use them in future competitions.

I believe he said the price has not yet been determined. I would imagine it would be slightly more expensive than a gen 2.

[Andy Baker]

Originally Posted by Cory

The generation 2 shifter will still be sold. Andy said they will not be discontinuing any products, just so that people who bought them previously can still continue to use them in future competitions.

I believe he said the price has not yet been determined. I would imagine it would be slightly more expensive than a gen 2.

This is all true.

At this point, we are simply trying to recover from IRI. Releasing information on this gearbox is not at the top of our priority list right at this minute, but we will release it soon.

Sincerely,
Andy

[AdamHeard]

Originally Posted by Andy Baker

This is all true.

At this point, we are simply trying to recover from IRI. Releasing information on this gearbox is not at the top of our priority list right at this minute, but we will release it soon.

Sincerely,
Andy

Mr. Baker, you are a tease...

We're pretty much finished with our prototype design and reaching the point we can't change it. It's based on Gen 2s now, but I'm getting an itching urge to try to incorporate the Gen 3's. Is it reasonable to expect details and drawings within 2-3 weeks?

[Andy Baker]

Originally Posted by AdamHeard

Mr. Baker, you are a tease...

Is it reasonable to expect details and drawings within 2-3 weeks?

Yes.

AB

[Schnabel]

Originally Posted by Chris Fultz

I saw them and they look really bad.
Heavy plates, thin gears, unreliable shifting.
I am not sure what Andy and MArk are thinking on this one.
I don't think any teams should use them in 2008.

HOWEVER, Team 234 will volunteer to use these "unproven" devices in 2008 and then report back to the other 1500 FIRST teams on how they do. Then, maybe you can consider them for 2009.

I know, I know, this is a big sacrifice for us to take, but we are willing to do this as a sign of true Gracious Professionalism.
It just seems like the right thing to do.

The only thing I can say is that they are real good! I should know!

[Madison]

So, really, nobody took pictures? You all fail.

[AndyB]

I stopped and looked and I had a camera in my hand actually, but me being myself, it never occured to me to get a picture...

[Schnabel]

Here is the best example of one I can find. Just the metal plate in between the metal plates is actually black.

[=Martin=Taylor=]

Originally Posted by Schnabel

Here is the best example of one I can find. Just the metal plate in between the metal plates is actually black.

But thats just a single speed! You just took the picture from www.andymark.biz!

So are they really that similar? Bolt hole pattern identical?

[AdamHeard]

Originally Posted by Hachiban VIII

But thats just a single speed! You just took the picture from www.andymark.biz!

So are they really that similar? Bolt hole pattern identical?

to quote cory;

The sideplates are now aluminum instead of steel. They no longer have the mounting flanges. Teams will have to either fabricate their own, or bolt them through the face of the transmission to a frame member.

They are also fully enclosed.

To me that sounds like the casing and plates will be very similar to the single speed.

[AndyB]

It may just be because I haven't held a gen2 lately, but they seemed a lot smaller as well.

[Kyle Love]

The main reason why they look significantly smaller is due to the fact that there are no more flanges on the long side of the gearbox. To me the asectics of this gearbox are more appealing, nice, simple and compact design.

[Schnabel]

Originally Posted by Hachiban VIII

But thats just a single speed! You just took the picture from www.andymark.biz!

So are they really that similar? Bolt hole pattern identical?

Yes I took the picture from andymark.biz, and I did it on purpose because that is about the best I will get to the actual thing for now. The real thing looks very very similar!

EDIT: Here is an artist rendering of what I remember the super shifter looks like. The super on top just is to tell you it is a super shifter, otherwise, it really isn't on there.