pic: Foley Freeze doubles up

[Jim Meyer]

Originally Posted by FoleyEngineer

Does anyone know if MARC, ThinkFordFirst, or Kettering will use the "new and improved" IRI rules? I sure hope so as they were really nice enhancements to this year's game.

I certainly liked the new rules, even having a 4th machine on the alliance. Neat little strategy twist.

The only rule left to be fixed is the possession of more than one tube at at time rule. It should be reworded to prohibit intentional posession of more than one tube at at time. I just find it really silly that if a tube is accidentally thrown onto a robot, and it can't be removed, it puts them out of commission for the entire match. I saw it happen to 330 at IRI, it was very disheartening. I don't think that it would be too hard to judge either. I'd rater have a ref make a tough call every once in a blue moon than the way things played out this year.

[GaryVoshol]

Originally Posted by Jim Meyer

The only rule left to be fixed is the possession of more than one tube at at time rule. It should be reworded to prohibit intentional posession of more than one tube at at time. I just find it really silly that if a tube is accidentally thrown onto a robot, and it can't be removed, it puts them out of commission for the entire match. I saw it happen to 330 at IRI, it was very disheartening.

Yeah, it happens. At least twice at IRI. And I wondered why with all those great machines, no one tried to have their alliance partner remove the ringer for them?

I don't think that it would be too hard to judge either. I'd rater have a ref make a tough call every once in a blue moon than the way things played out this year.

Almost every double-ringer possession could be considered unintentional. Why would anyone want to put a ringer on a place where it cannot be shaken off? Flags are the usual culprit, but sometimes the ringer slips down around the bot's arm. That human player didn't intend to throw the ringer around the flag, so why not let it go? Your alliance partner didn't intend to drop the ringer and have it miss the spider leg, and bounce off onto your robot. Intent - wanting to do it - simply has no part in the decision. Every call would have to be, "Well, we don't think they wanted that ringer on their flag, so no call." It would totally eliminate the rule.

If the rule is eliminated, then there is nothing to prevent a robot from collecting up all the ringers of the opposing alliance and not allow them to score. That probably was the GDC's intention (there's that word again) for the rule. But you can't dismiss accidental possession without gutting the rule.

[MGoelz]

Originally Posted by GaryVoshol

Yeah, it happens. At least twice at IRI. And I wondered why with all those great machines, no one tried to have their alliance partner remove the ringer for them?

Actually during one of the matches in which 330 got a ringer caught on their flag, they did have their alliance partner remove it.
I can't remember who removed it though. I want to say it was either 16 or 116...but I'm not positive.

[JackN]

Originally Posted by MGoelz

Actually during one of the matches in which 330 got a ringer caught on their flag, they did have their alliance partner remove it.
I can't remember who removed it though. I want to say it was either 16 or 116...but I'm not positive.

Yeah it was the Bomb Squad that pulled the ringer off. That was one of the highlights of the competition for me.

[Chief Pride]

Originally Posted by JackN

Yeah it was the Bomb Squad that pulled the ringer off. That was one of the highlights of the competition for me.

ironicy? (is that even a word...? [no, it is not]) xD

pretty funny with the name and what they did... maybe its just me... who knows xD!

[Tetraman]

Originally Posted by Jim Meyer

The only rule left to be fixed is the possession of more than one tube at at time rule. It should be reworded to prohibit intentional posession of more than one tube at at time. I just find it really silly that if a tube is accidentally thrown onto a robot, and it can't be removed, it puts them out of commission for the entire match.

It's not up to the refs to learn what each robot can do, thats why this rule was put in place.

[Jeremiah Johnson]

Then what would be called if the opposite alliance placed a ringer on the robot? That's effectively disabling the robot and "unfair" if you ask me... I've seen it happen many times, and even at least once in the elims at IRI. But it really doesn't matter because the season's over...

[jgannon]

Originally Posted by Jeremiah Johnson

Then what would be called if the opposite alliance placed a ringer on the robot? That's effectively disabling the robot and "unfair" if you ask me... I've seen it happen many times, and even at least once in the elims at IRI. But it really doesn't matter because the season's over...

<G09> covers this.

GAME PIECES may not be intentionally placed on opposing ROBOTS for the purpose of causing a violation of this rule. Any such GAME PIECE placements will not be considered in POSSESSION of the affected ROBOT, and will be ignored.

[Nuttyman54]

Originally Posted by Jeremiah Johnson

Then what would be called if the opposite alliance placed a ringer on the robot? That's effectively disabling the robot and "unfair" if you ask me... I've seen it happen many times, and even at least once in the elims at IRI. But it really doesn't matter because the season's over...

Per <G09>, I know I saw a few instances this year where an HP threw a ring (accidentally or intentionally, I don't know) onto an opposing robot. The robot continued to score and was not penalized.

[FoleyEngineer]

We got the double-score tonight at the MARC competition. It was a practice round, and they didn't use their brand new "keeper" tubes, and we didn't bother to put our partner's corner touching the side of the tube, but still got the double on an official rack. Our home made rack is a little "off" from the official one so it took a while to get calibrated to the field rack perfectly, but it seems pretty good now. Hopefully we'll get another double or two tomorrow in more "official" matches. For now, here's a picture of the second one going on as time ran out.

By the way, MARC looks like it's going to be a LOT of fun. Way to go MARC Team!



and here's a link to the video posted on the MARC forum (near the bottom of the thread page):

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...t=57709&page=3

[jgannon]

Amazing! Congratulations, guys... this is a spectacular achievement.

[AndreasBecker]

Hey Its Andreas The Rookie Of Foley Freeze
Anyway I Have A Live Video (A Bit Fuzzy) Of Our Achivement

Robotics Team 910 - Double Cap (YouTube)

[FoleyEngineer]

For anyone following this thread, at the ARC (Autumn Robotics Competition) this past weekend at Macomb College in Michigan, we finally did it in an official match. In fact, it was the last match of the day in the finals. There are several videos of the event and I'm sure someone took a picture or two.

See this delphi thread: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...d=1#post645172

Take care all and see you in '08!