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Re: Championships location from 07 and onwards

I know that I have already responded in post #20 but I gave no reasoning.

Anyone that has been to Disney for the Championship will know what I mean!
For all its faults it was the most awesome experience. Please don't take this as a disrespect of Atlanta or Houston. We have had a great time in both cities and both cities have provided nothing but fond memories for our team.

Top reasons to go back to Disney:

* SECURITY! As long as you keep track of your students general movements and they stay on the Disney Campus you have a 99.9 % chance that they are safe moving around on their own. As a teacher this was a pleasure. You will always worry about your kids, but this went a long way towards easing your mind.

* EXPERIENCE! Disney is in the business of handling extremely large groups of enthusiastic kids. They know what they are doing and already have an environment setup for this.

*PUBLICITY! I feel that the media exposure for FIRST and the access to visiting celebrities was so much higher when we were at Disney. There were always famous people walking through the pits, talking to the kids.
Thousands of kids in team shirts walked around Disney for 4 days encouraging the general public to visit the competition and they did visit. People that had no affiliation with FIRST would bring their families to watch.

* MAGIC! When your team is at Disney for the Championship, you feel SPECIAL, in a way that no conventional city environment can duplicate. Don't get me wrong I am a city person and I love cities. I just feel that in the end there is no other place on Earth that can match this feeling of reward after a long hard season. I can remember being in the Einstein stadium, outdoors on a beautiful Florida morning, listening to inspirational speeches,watching the monorail pass the stadium and seeing how pumped up the kids were by the environment. I can remember thinking "Perfection"!!

There has been a great deal of feedback both here and other places that basically says "I should forget this dream". People keep telling me "Disney is Dead", "Let it Go". I can't! I feel like we have all been away from our home for the last five years. We need to go home to Disney!!

With all of the accumulated brain power of FIRST and its Teams we can find a way to make the Disney environment work for everyone. We can do it. For every obstacle presented, there are many solutions.

Sorry for such a long post!

Good luck to everyone going to the Atlanta Championships. It will be a blast!
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Re: Championships location from 07 and onwards

My vote goes for Washington DC/College Park, MD in future years:

The subliminal reason is that it's just a metro ride away from where I am.

The Verizon Center can seat about 35,000 people and is within (again) a metro ride from Georgetown, the various museums, Congress, the White House, and a whole bunch of entertainment options.

It fits into the Dean's Homework and just a drive/walk for your Reps/Senators.

College Park fits the bill of doing the Championship at a world-leading engineering university. You have the Comcast Center for the field(s) again I'm not sure if it's big enough. TerpZone at Stamp Student Union. Plus, whenever the new mall and hotels are built at University View (near East Campus) and crime lower than it is now (CP is experiencing the same crime problems affecting all of PG County, and little-tolerance alcohol policies do not necessarily stop it because a couple of crimes I know about occurred in broad daylight at times most students that do drink do not drink.). Who knows?
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Re: Championships location from 07 and onwards

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In an ideal world it would be in a different region each year like the super bowl or final four. This would help get the word about FIRST out around the country as well as helping to equalize travel costs among the teams. )
I really like this idea... the championship event should be made available to all parts of the country without causing a financial burden at least once every high schoolers time in FIRST.

It sad when a team earns a spot at the championship but either can not attend or can only afford to bring a small group with them. Not to mention all their supporters.

Once again... Greensboro,NC would make an ideal east coast location... right in the middle between Florida and New York.
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Re: Championships location from 07 and onwards

I'm hoping for a move to the Midwest sometime in the next 2 years before I graduate. Atlanta is a cool city, and works for FIRST now, but I feel that there are other cities that are just as great, or may have more to offer than Atlanta, such as St. Louis, Minneapolis, or Indianapolis.

Any move at the moment would be great for the growth of FIRST. There isn't a better way to express the true meaning and impact of FIRST than seeing the best of the best gathered at one place --The International Championships. After being in Atlanta for 3 years, the local businesses and school systems have had quite some time to pickup on FIRST...it's time to spread the message somewhere else.

I'm sure that teams that go to the Championships year after year agree that the Atlanta attractions have been exhausted quickly. In 3 years, most teams have already gone to the GA Aquarium, visited the World of Coke, the Underground, taken a CNN or GA Tech tour, been to a Braves game, and gone to most of the restaurants nearby. I have only been once, and now there really isn't anything besides the competition that I'm looking forward to.

Going back to logistics, it has been stated many times in this thread that a Midwest location would even out the traveling costs for teams. It may appear ironic that I am advocating for a regional farther away, when Atlanta is only a 1.5 hour flight away, but I see it as a win-win situation. Everyone (except Midwest teams) pays the same price to get there, and we all get to travel to a new place. Of course I could say that moving to South Florida would be perfect (Miami/Ft. Lauderdale comes to mind with tons of hotels, tourist attractions, great weather, and the beach), but there are a few flaws and that would be pushing it.

*I am slightly biased on the ATL situation. I once lived in a surrounding city, and I visit there almost every year now, so there is nothing that special about the city anymore, to me at least.

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Re: Championships location from 07 and onwards

im realy hoping that it stays in atlanta. its in an ideal spot. i doubt that it will be moved to any costal areas because it'll cause to much contraversy. it needs to at least stay twards the middle of the country
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Re: Championships location from 07 and onwards

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im realy hoping that it stays in atlanta. its in an ideal spot. i doubt that it will be moved to any costal areas because it'll cause to much contraversy. it needs to at least stay twards the middle of the country
While Atlanta isn't right on the east coast, it's not really the middle of the country. There are better locations that would make it easier for those teams in the western part of the country to attend.
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There are better locations that would make it easier for those teams in the western part of the country to attend.
While other cities may be better for west coast teams I don't see nationals going to far west in the near future... I mean just look at a population distribution diagram. It's more or less east coast and west coast centered. Then look at a diagram of FIRST team in the US, then it becomes even more polarized to the coasts. Given, there are major cities "midway" between the coasts, I don't think any make sense to put an event like nationals there because logistically more teams would have to fly in. I know that with nationals in Atlanta a lot of teams up the east coast drive down (we live in the northernmost part of PA and drove down) and unfortunately most teams from the west coast have to fly (I'm not sure if any drove or not). With nationals in the middle of the country I believe it would increase the number of teams that would need to fly... I could be wrong though. And also I think that having CNN in Atlanta is a huge plus (they arranged a satellite feed to a local news station).
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Re: Championships location from 07 and onwards

My vote goes in for Disneyworld (why isn't this a poll?), even though I live all the way on the other coast in California. The reason for this is because they got great facilities, it's safe, and it's a place where people come from all around the world. Last time I've been to Disneyworld was in Janurary of this year (2007) to see my brother play with the u17 us national team (for soccer) at the wide world of sports. When I was there, I went to the animal and magic kingdom, and it was packed! There were people from all over the world, that clogged the lines everywhere. The whole park was crowded. With so many people, a Robotics Championship would draw some attention to people from other countries. If FIRST held the championships in DisneyWorld for at least 4 years, there would definitely be more countries in Europe and Asia competing. To most of you who have made it to the championships, it would get more difficult, and challenges would get harder and fun.
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Re: Championships location from 07 and onwards

So why not have TWO championships? (Has this been suggested? I didn't reead all 330 emails...)

One on the East Coast and one on the west coast?

Run 'em on the same weekend. Have each piped into the other so we can watch both live.

This keeps the costs down for the teams that can't travel, and still allows teams that want to travel an opportunity to go to the other coast.

It allows us to DOUBLE our current capacity while keeping all the current rules and logistics unchanged (ie: it's easy).

AND we end up with TWO sets of Champions - nothing wrong with that.

They could meet at IRI in the summer for bragging rights ...

I realize there is cost involved in doing two, but if you are going to Double or triple the size of the program, as dean suggests, you're gonna have to do something anyway ... and we already run 5 to 6 regionals on all the other weekends - so this should be a snap.

Of Course, if we have to do it SOMEWHERE, Atlanta works for me - 45 minute drive ... <grin>
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AND we end up with TWO sets of Champions - nothing wrong with that.
Then they theoretically would not be the champions. It kinda turns itself into just another regional. Now, if you had the two competitions to narrow down the crowd for a championship, only allow the teams that placed a in a certain spot in the other two to participate, and have the big championship somewhere else in a more central location between the two, say Iowa or something like that, that would work a lot better. In my opinion, Atlanta is too big of a competition, creating the kind of a setup would limit the size of the championship, bring out the best of the best, and be much more exciting than atlanta.
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My vote goes in for Disneyworld (why isn't this a poll?), even though I live all the way on the other coast in California. The reason for this is because they got great facilities, it's safe, and it's a place where people come from all around the world. Last time I've been to Disneyworld was in Janurary of this year (2007) to see my brother play with the u17 us national team (for soccer) at the wide world of sports. When I was there, I went to the animal and magic kingdom, and it was packed! There were people from all over the world, that clogged the lines everywhere. The whole park was crowded. With so many people, a Robotics Championship would draw some attention to people from other countries. If FIRST held the championships in DisneyWorld for at least 4 years, there would definitely be more countries in Europe and Asia competing. To most of you who have made it to the championships, it would get more difficult, and challenges would get harder and fun.
The Championship was at Disney through 2002. FIRST grew too large and they didn't ask us to come back, as I understand it.
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So why not have TWO championships? (Has this been suggested? I didn't reead all 330 emails...)

One on the East Coast and one on the west coast?

Run 'em on the same weekend. Have each piped into the other so we can watch both live.


This keeps the costs down for the teams that can't travel, and still allows teams that want to travel an opportunity to go to the other coast.
Something similar happens with EARLY (Engineering and Robotics Learned Young) Competition that my team hosts. The American champions play against the South African champions by recording a match after the competition is over.

The thing is, FRC is not like that. There is a defense element in the recent FRC games. IF that defense element went away it would be possible but that would take some of the intensity and fun out of the games.

One championship is fine. If they want, they can relocate to a city where there are the most teams within a 50 mile radius so teams can drive to and from competition and save money, but then it will be in the northeast most likely around Michigan/Indiana [1] or somewhere in the North. Logically this would save the more teams money. What is the purpose of having two just because there are only 1/3-1/4 teams on the west coast and the other portion is all on the east? Many people think of their own teams but what they need to realize is that there are hundreds of teams at the Championships. But IF we wanted to do it the way I mentioned above, you might want to make it easier for ONLY the participating teams, so picking an area where most of the participating championships teams are located within a 50-100 mile radius is the most efficient way, BUT I don't think you can book huge arenas and complexes with two weeks notice.

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Re: Championships location from 07 and onwards

I've said it before and I am saying it again: The Championships will move to Indianapolis.
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Re: Championships location from 07 and onwards

I'm not sure it really matters a huge amount where FIRST puts the championship as long as its not some where completely out of the blue. I wouldn't be surprised if they put it in LA or Atlanta or Detroit or Cleavland, I would be blow away however, if they put it in say Denver. I would be pleased if they did (close) but I just don't think they would.

Personaly I hope that they put it where the best facilities are. I have been to Atlanta but I haven't gone to any other place for the championship so I don't know if Atlanta is the best. I can't really say who has the best place because I haven't done the research. I loved Atlanta but I might have done a little more walking than I would have liked.

I don't know where the championship would be but I hope it is somewhere other than Atlanta. I've been there and it would be cool to get to go somewhere else.
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I'd like to see Indianapolis hold the Championship, or perhaps have FIRST go back to hosting them in Orlando for a year or two.
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