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Re: Championships location from 07 and onwards

piping in with my $ 0.02 worth.

Team distribution maps puts most teams near NY, NY. followed by Detroit and Washington.

It is my understanding that Disney doesn't understand the concept of free. It is a precondition that the public attend FIRST events for free.

What drives the decision mostly is quality of facilities and cost.
The Atlanta facility has the dome and the adjacent GWCC. There are only about 4 facilities like that in North America I'm told. It is easy find a stadium or a conference center, but not co-joined and at the right price.

Atlanta has CNN literally across the street and one of the largest airports in the world with direct flights from everywhere. How efficient the transportation system is in getting you there really affects teams more so than specific geographical location.

I know little about Detroit but they have a nice airport and a new stadium but I don't think they have a cojoined 'pit' area.

full disclosure: I have to vote for Atlanta because I can drive there in 25 minutes.

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Re: Championships location from 07 and onwards

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It is my understanding that Disney doesn't understand the concept of free. It is a precondition that the public attend FIRST events for free.
The FIRST event was, for most of its time there, held in Epcot's parking lot. It was free to anyone that wanted to attend -- except teams, of course.
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Re: Championships location from 07 and onwards

Say What ??

When you say the parking lot, do you mean the pits and competition fields ?

Like outdoors in the sun and rain and stuff ?

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Say What ??

When you say the parking lot, do you mean the pits and competition fields ?

Like outdoors in the sun and rain and stuff ?

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As far as I know (and this info is just coming from hearing about it, not actually being there), but the pits were covered by a large tent and were outdoors.
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When you say the parking lot, do you mean the pits and competition fields ?

Like outdoors in the sun and rain and stuff ?

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Easily stated, yes. Like Alexa said, covered by tents. The walk from the pits to the fields were uncovered, if I remember correctly. If you were in the back of the viewing area, you couldn't see anything. It was a pretty bad place to be if you were susceptible to sunburns...
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Re: Championships location from 07 and onwards

I believe the new Indy stadium will connect to the conference center thats already there. It attaches to the RCA dome but thats getting torn down to add on to the conference center - which is right next to the new stadium.
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Re: Championships location from 07 and onwards

Well, I have to say that I did love the one year that I went to the Championship in Disney that it was great. It's a fun place to be, but when I went, they were already kinda running out of space. Having that many teams there could be problamatic for moving around from pit to playing field.

Even though our team is only about a two hour drive to Atlanta, I think that it would be very good for FIRST and for many teams to have the Championship more easily acessible to more people. Some place in the midwest (such as St. Louis, Minneapolis, Indianapolis, Houston) would be easier for west coast teams to get there.

While safety is an issue anywhere, I dont think that security is number one on reasoning for the event to be held. If this was the case, some of the regionals that exist now, wouldn't. Atlanta is a dangerous city, but what city isn't. There are regionals in Richmond, St. Louis, New Orleans, and if im not mistaken LA and San Deigo (just to name a few). If safety was number one priority, then some of these regionals wouldn't exist.

My verdict would just be to find a different place to spread FIRST that has adequite facilities similar to the setup in Atlanta. If I remember, St. Louis would be a good pick, but it's been a long time since ive been there.

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Re: Championships location from 07 and onwards

Having the event at Disney in a parking lot boggles my mind.

I'm not sure that I would call Atlanta 'dangerous' compared to many other large cities. It certainly requires a bit of caution amongst all attendees, especially visitors that are not familiar with the city. The danger thing is a relative thing, to itself and to other cities. That whole area from Northside to North to downtown has been changing and upgrading fairly quickly over the last 15 years. And it's good to see that.

I think it would be great (no matter what city it is in) that there is a higher level of police presence strolling around the outside areas. If nothing else it will help out of towners feel safer.

I was in Indy a few years ago and I'm interested in seeing how the new facilities pan out. On a side point, in the RCA dome is a huge US Flag hanging from the ceiling of the dome. The best I can tell the people that made the flag didn't know what they were doing and have the dimensions (aspect ratio) all wrong. There is actually a federal spec for that and I'm surprised that got it wrong in a high profile building like that.

If most people fly then the event should be in the NYC area. But for a lot of non-northeast people NYC could be way more intimidating than ATL.

If most people drive, then Indy is more central. But all this chit-chat assumes there is a real need to change and the need may not really be there. If most teams now have the knowhow to get the ATL thing done then everyone doesn't have to relearn things for a new city.

This isn't the best thread for this but I have to post 2 gripes about the Championship and it is about the teams, not FIRST.

1) I couldn't believe the rudeness and attitudes from some parents on some teams regarding seat saving. They would carve out vast swaths of seats with none of their people in sight and didn't want to give up 5 seats for 15 minutes.

2) During the awards ceremony, the number of people that started leaving before the Chairman's Award was given.

I don't think it violates a principle of gracious professionalism to point out these two egregious behaviors.

We, all teams collectively, need to work on our manners.

My 57 cents.

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Re: Championships location from 07 and onwards

The championship should be held any place but CT or NY it should be place in Hawaii, LA, or Orlando. It should be in a place with a beach and a lot of sun
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Having the event at Disney in a parking lot boggles my mind.
Look around CD-Media for some pictures taken at the event in Epcot. I think you'll find that it was a bit more than a simple parking lot. I usually describe it as a small city -- and I think that paints a more accurate picture. The venue and facilities provided were much nicer than the bare concrete floors and walls of the pits in Atlanta and the vast, empty space that is the Georgia Dome.
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Atlanta has CNN literally across the street and one of the largest airports in the world with direct flights from everywhere.
Too bad CNN can't get up off their butts and walk over to the Dome to give just a little coverage of something positive that's happening in the nation for once.

I also agree that transportation is a key factor into where this event should be held. The city must be equipped with an international airport in addition to a facility with the capacity and staffing for FIRST.

However, it seems that alot of people are missing a key point: On top of that there needs to exist a ridiculous amount of hotel rooms in the same area as the event such that teams can walk to the event in about 30 minutes -- this infers that the event must be held in a downtown area since the only other area known to have a plethora of hotels is the airport itself. So a brand new convention center + stadium is probably not going to get on the list of possible candidates until there are enough hotel rooms for 15,000 people at an affordable rate.

Having a place with the capacity to do the after party is also nice, but not as much of a "must" as these other key things.

Personally, I'd like to see a city that has alot of extracirriculars to offer in addition to the FIRST competition -- Braves Baseball and (whatever they're called) Hockey was nice in Atlanta, but perhaps we could also arrange something like a tour of Google or GM or similar if it was held in the appropriate city.
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Look around CD-Media for some pictures taken at the event in Epcot. I think you'll find that it was a bit more than a simple parking lot. I usually describe it as a small city -- and I think that paints a more accurate picture. The venue and facilities provided were much nicer than the bare concrete floors and walls of the pits in Atlanta and the vast, empty space that is the Georgia Dome.
Yeah, but in the year 2000, which is the year that I went to the then nationals, space was limited. The facilities were better, but now the space that was available then would now not hold the 344 teams that were in this year's Championship event.
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Yeah, but in the year 2000, which is the year that I went to the then nationals, space was limited. The facilities were better, but now the space that was available then would now not hold the 344 teams that were in this year's Championship event.
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The 2007 Championship -- held in Atlanta, GA with its covered football stadium and enormous convention center and and and... -- hosted 344 FRC teams.

The 2002 Nationals -- held in Epcot at Walt Disney World with its giant tents, stadium seating and main stage -- hosted 335 teams.


Space for FRC teams doesn't seem to be an issue at this time.
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Space for FRC teams doesn't seem to be an issue at this time.
point taken.

now we just have to get someone to pay for it
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Too bad CNN can't get up off their butts and walk over to the Dome to give just a little coverage of something positive that's happening in the nation for once.
CNN did go to the Dome and cover the event, at least they did this year. It was on saturday if I'm not mistaken.
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