A Sticky Situation.....

[C7First]

Originally Posted by M. Krass

This is the link to the FIRST-A-Holics Anonymous forum: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/fo...play.php?f=124

You can create a thread there that will remain hidden until approved by the folks behind the scenes. When your post appears, it will be stripped of your identifying information.

Remember, it's otherwise against forum rules to maintain more than one account per person.

i know that is why as soon as this discussion is over i am deleting this profile.

[DonRotolo]

Originally Posted by C7First

Now my question to you people is how would you feel about this whole thing and do you have any suggestions to never let it happen again and I hope everyone can learn from our mistake and learn from it.

Dealing with the question at hand:

People usually cannot and do not change. This mentor has a good possibility of, in a stressful situation, not maintaining his changed behavior.

The people who gave him a second chance were not playing fair and are IMHO chickens. If they didn't want this person on the team, then just come out and say it. To do otherwise is cowardly.

Way to inspire, too. When things get tough, duck & run.

I don't have a good way to resolve this. I might maintain the original team, and do whatever to keep it afloat. Perhaps I'd join the other team, if they'd have me. Perhaps I'd leave FIRST forever, but not without telling those other mentors in calm, unemotional terms what I thought of their "Graciously Professional" behavior.

Please don't consider leaving FIRST, be the more mature one and learn from this, you'll be a better person forever for it.

Don

[C7First]

Originally Posted by Don Rotolo

Dealing with the question at hand:

People usually cannot and do not change. This mentor has a good possibility of, in a stressful situation, not maintaining his changed behavior.

The people who gave him a second chance were not playing fair and are IMHO chickens. If they didn't want this person on the team, then just come out and say it. To do otherwise is cowardly.

Way to inspire, too. When things get tough, duck & run.

I don't have a good way to resolve this. I might maintain the original team, and do whatever to keep it afloat. Perhaps I'd join the other team, if they'd have me. Perhaps I'd leave FIRST forever, but not without telling those other mentors in calm, unemotional terms what I thought of their "Graciously Professional" behavior.

Please don't consider leaving FIRST, be the more mature one and learn from this, you'll be a better person forever for it.

Don

it isnt that he always has problems and we believed that all people deserved a second chance. i have no intentions of leaving FIRST i spend more hours at first than i do at home but we are trying to work it out but everyone deserves a second chance. and it isnt that we didnt want him he does a lot of stuff for the team he ust had a few deatails that needed changing.

[C7First]

i just want to say thank you to you all.

[Steve W]

Originally Posted by Don Rotolo

People usually cannot and do not change.Don

I am not so sure that I can agree with this statement. People can and do change. Some for the worse but more for the better. If we did not believe that then why do we try and help anyone. Maybe I am an optimist but I believe that everyone can improve and better themselves. Let's just remember that negative attitudes will breed negative results.

[C7First]

Originally Posted by Steve W

I am not so sure that I can agree with this statement. People can and do change. Some for the worse but more for the better. If we did not believe that then why do we try and help anyone. Maybe I am an optimist but I believe that everyone can improve and better themselves. Let's just remember that negative attitudes will breed negative results.

i agree completly and that was the main attitude of the team except for the people that branched off.

[cooker52]

Everyone deserves a second chance, a true second chance to erase all feelings from the past and start anew. To become a better person, and the only way you can do that is by learning from the past.

What those people did to that person made immature choices and showed a bad example. Now that they have left your original team, keep it going, make it off the lessons you have learned here, that everyone deserves a second chance to make up and adjust his wrongs. become the leader and lead this team to become better. You know how most everything is done, how it works, and how to recruit. You can try something new, but whatever you do, teach this new team the lessons that you have learned. And play this out. Who knows, maybe these new teams and the original one could become the most succesful teams in the country because of your team work and the collaborations of many diverse ideas. If team work with the new teams doesn't work out, contact other neighboring teams. If you are in Indiana, contact any team in the state, I know that most will help you and teach you new ideas and designs.

The way it sounds, is that you may be one of the new leaders of your team. Make the best of these new changes. If you need help, any neighboring team for help. Don't give up on the teams that split off from the original team. Make them your friends and don't look at them as if they made a dumb choice. It was their decision to break off, it's yours not to give up.

Good luck with your new team,
Seth Cook

(P.S. If you ever want to try a new type of engineering, give 1501 a call, we can teach you monocoque engineering (unibody, used in planes, cars, the space shuttle, etc.). We are starting some tutorials on it and would be willing to help you out online and the such.)

[Jeremy Roberts]

C7First, if you are actually from Atlanta like your anonymous profile indicates feel free to get in touch with me and the local Georgia FIRST committee will do what we can to help. My email is jroberts AT usfirst.org

[C7First]

Originally Posted by cooker52

Everyone deserves a second chance, a true second chance to erase all feelings from the past and start anew. To become a better person, and the only way you can do that is by learning from the past.

What those people did to that person made immature choices and showed a bad example. Now that they have left your original team, keep it going, make it off the lessons you have learned here, that everyone deserves a second chance to make up and adjust his wrongs. become the leader and lead this team to become better. You know how most everything is done, how it works, and how to recruit. You can try something new, but whatever you do, teach this new team the lessons that you have learned. And play this out. Who knows, maybe these new teams and the original one could become the most succesful teams in the country because of your team work and the collaborations of many diverse ideas. If team work with the new teams doesn't work out, contact other neighboring teams. If you are in Indiana, contact any team in the state, I know that most will help you and teach you new ideas and designs.

The way it sounds, is that you may be one of the new leaders of your team. Make the best of these new changes. If you need help, any neighboring team for help. Don't give up on the teams that split off from the original team. Make them your friends and don't look at them as if they made a dumb choice. It was their decision to break off, it's yours not to give up.

Good luck with your new team,
Seth Cook

(P.S. If you ever want to try a new type of engineering, give 1501 a call, we can teach you monocoque engineering (unibody, used in planes, cars, the space shuttle, etc.). We are starting some tutorials on it and would be willing to help you out online and the such.)

Thank you for your kind words it was a big help. and we will definatly will use your advise.

[C7First]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Roberts

C7First, if you are actually from Atlanta like your anonymous profile indicates feel free to get in touch with me and the local Georgia FIRST committee will do what we can to help. My email is jroberts AT usfirst.org

We arn't actually from georgia but i used it cause it is central hub for first but thanks for the offer.

[JaneYoung]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Roberts

C7First, if you are actually from Atlanta like your anonymous profile indicates feel free to get in touch with me and the local Georgia FIRST committee will do what we can to help. My email is jroberts AT usfirst.org

This is a wonderful suggestion. It might be helpful to contact a FIRST rep in your area for some help.

There are always 2 sides to each situation and it would be wise to look at both of those objectively and clearly.

Jane

[onefreakykid]

Wow. Let me start off by saying that I am / was a member of the team that C7 is talking about.

1. This (mentor) has been a problem for a couple years now.
2. The mentors who left keys gave this person plenty of time for the administration to do something. But since nothing happened, we moved on.
3. Is it wrong to tell him what we don't like about him? The things he did we more immature than that of which you call us.
4. Mutiny? I would hardly call this a mutiny. Does the fact that we're not returning to this team next year make it a mutiny? We all moved on, i suggest you do the same.
5. At no time did we ever 'recruit' members of the other team.

C7, you know who I am, and you know my feeling on the whole matter. Best we all move on from this stupidity.

[set the record]

First of all none of you know the whole situation in the matter. You are making yourself look foolish by talking about something you know very little, if anything, about.

C7 won't tell you what his father(oops maybe i shouldn't say that) did as a mentor

yes c7 very well could be the mentors son or a good friend of the mentors son.I really wouldn't be shocked if it's the mentor himself so now take everything he said with a grain of salt.

the story is 95 % incomplete but as a mature adult I will not air our dirty laundry
in this thread.You really cant say how to fix the problem if you were not here to see the problems we had.

as of the word "mutiny" we didn't make him walk the plank,but this is the second "mutiny" in 3 years. So is it us or him?

And lastly nobody made anybody do anything they didn't want to do. Yes we have a large chunk of the mentors but we all came to the same conclusion
( TO BE ON A TEAM JUST NOT THIS ONE)

We always hope them nothing but the best but if this keeps going on who will be the immature child in this manner.Just move on and let it go. We did.

and don't worry about they sponsorship.If they loose it, it will because of the mentor not us. They get plenty of money from the school anyways.

[Brandon Martus]

Creating anonymous accounts are a violation of the site rules, no matter what their purpose is. This thread doesn't need to be discussed publically; you should deal with inner-team struggles as a team .. not on an open forum.

[Andy Baker]

Originally Posted by set the record

... as a mature adult I will not air our dirty laundry in this thread.

Let's all use the above situation as an example of what not to do.

It is never wise to air a team's dirty laundry publicly. What ends up is what we all see here. Even with this teams anonymity in tact (well, from most of us), it still gets messy.

Let's learn from this, move on, and hope that these teams to work through this through their own communication channels as needed.

Andy B.