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Actually, a good portion of the fisr community, myself included, use Linux. It is hailed for it's reliability. You're probably right about the camera thing there. But in all honesty, all you need a library compiled! And they would'nt be throwing out all the work. Nobody said anything about them abandoning C!
I know that the new PIC processors came out at IFI, I think that it's just an OI upgrade with a USB system. |
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Just my $.02 Malhon |
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We also don't know how the 2009 control system will connect to the robot sensors and effectors, or how much will be taken care of by the hardware. It could very well be a lot easier to work with than this year's system. |
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As empirical evidence, in 2003 we implemented this awesome little autonomous system that tracked our robot's position on the field and allowed us to literally draw out our autonomous routines in a GUI. It worked wonderfully, even course-correcting when other robots would bump into it. This system was written in PBASIC (with only 90 bytes of RAM and 16K of EEPROM!) and HC08 assembly. In 2004 they released the C-based controllers and we switched to C on our custom circuit as well. Re-implementing this system on the new setup was a breeze compared to doing it in PBASIC and allowed us to do many new things that we couldn't before. In 2003 there were only a handful of teams capable of something like that. Now, there are dozens of teams trying to recreate what we did back then. And many base their work on a presentation that we put together describing our 2003 system, which talks about the algorithms we used which are just as applicable today as they were in the days of PBASIC (see Alan's post above). |
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Question? What would the First community think of going with something completely new , different and proprietary if the software company was flush with cash and in to sponsoring first in a big way. If First committed to their software platform. I'm talking about MSRS. Microsoft is already a sponsor and this year Will launch the Seattle regional. Would you sell your programming soul to MS if it meant lots of cash and support for the First program? I've recently had time to play with MSRS and believe it could take First into the future. There would be an enormous amount of development work but, the pay off in future growth and flexibility could be enormous. With MS's push into robotics and education I don't believe the marriage would be to hard to arrange. However, a divorce would be nasty.
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MS Robotics Studio is obviously very powerful. It provides a lot of infrastructure that makes programming act a lot like putting together a network of independent computers. It could very well be the way of the future. For a High School robotics program in the present of the early 21st Century, however, I think it might be a bit much to expect people to embrace. From the very first tutorial, on detecting a bumper switch contact: "The simplest way to bind the service partner to your hardware is to start an additional manifest which contains the service contract(s) for your hardware." Yeah, good luck not scaring off potential student programmers with that one. ![]() |
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So why should Microsoft be treated any differently? . |
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You can't compare Philip Morris to Microsoft. Pavan. |
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I just like being the only software running on-chip... I have enough fun knowing what my own code is doing in the machine.... I don't need to add an operating system (that isn't mine) and umpteen more programmer's code from the O/S into the mix.....
Just my 0.52 Rubles. -q |
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I think that alcohol companies represent a larger market share then Microsoft could ever accomplish. They also have many outreach programs. It is just a fact of life that when companies make loads of money they have to give some away. I can understand FIRST's reasoning for not taking major partnerships with cigarette and alcohol due to the perception, but not taking on Microsoft for those same reasons is just a silly argument. Just because there is a portion of FIRST students and mentors who dislike Microsoft for whatever reason that a partnership with one of the largest tech companies in the world should be ignored. |
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