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Re: Warning: Don't Touch Your Robot

Posted by Chris, Coach on team #308, Walled Lake Monster, from Walled Lake Schools and TRW Automotive Electronics.

Posted on 3/29/99 10:26 AM MST


In Reply to: Warning: Don't Touch Your Robot posted by Andy Baker on 3/29/99 9:46 AM MST:



Thank you very much for the clarification. I was sitting in the stands
and had really no idea why you lost. I figured it was due to a DQ but
I wasn't sure why.

Here are my opinions:

I completely agree with your points (1) and (2). When we practice, we
really stress to our Human Player the importance of not touching the
robot or stepping out of bounds, because we feel that any type of rule
infraction should be enforced. The only change to point(2) is that I
think the match should be ended immediately in the elimination rounds.

BUT (there's always a but), if the situation occurred as you described,
I don't know if I completely agree with the DQ call. In the rule book,
it states that a human player is allowed to touch a robot for reasons of
personal protection. If the human player was losing his/her balance and
was about to fall on the robot, it would be foolish not to grab the robot
as the human player would surely be more likely to get hurt falling on
the robot than touching it. However, if the human player was doing
something questionable that caused him/her to lose balance, then perhaps
it was the human player's fault and the DQ was warranted. This is a
tricky issue. I wish I would have seen the infraction.


: I'm posting this message to clear up what happened during
: the semifinal match between team 292's alliance (team 292:
: Diamler-Chrysler Western HS, team 45: Delphi-Kokomo HS, and team
: 235: Diamler-Chrysler Southeastern HS) and team 71's alliance
: (teams 71, 85, and 27).

: During the match, 292's HP accidentally grabbed his robot's
: "snout" when he was loading floppies into its basket. He
: leaned toward the robot too far, and was losing his balance.
: Grabbing the robot was his way of catching himself from falling.
: The referee called this violation, and we were therefore DQ'ed.

: In my opinion, it was the right call.

: BUT, I do have some concerns:

: 1. I have seen other HPs accidentally touch their robots,
: escpecially when loading floppies. This is incidental contact,
: but it should be called. Contact such as brushing a basket's
: netting and contacting the basket's "rim" while dunking
: a floppy are both violations.

: 2. If a team is DQ'ed, then they should be powered down ASAP.
: This may seem minor, but it isn't. During this match, the
: power was not disabled, and therefore we didn't know of the
: violation. There was some major battling (us vs. 71 for puck
: control and 292 vs. 27 for raising floppies) occuring AFTER
: the violation occured. Luckily neither 71's or 27's robots
: were damaged during this time, or the mistake would have been
: monumental. Actually 71 fell over at the end, but since
: their robot is so robust, they took the fall with no problems
: (at least none that I know of).... Also, many students (and
: adults) on our alliance had a very tough time adjusting to the
: disqualification, escpecilly after we thought we had won the
: match and semi-final round. Handling those emotions was very
: tough. It would've been easier to deal with if 292's robot was
: powered down and we hadn't thought that our alliance won the match.

: Anyway, those are my thoughts... any opinions on this?

: All in all, we had a great time working with all of the
: teams at the Midwest Regional, especially teams 292 and 235
: (You guys ROCK!).

: See ya in Florida!
: Andy B.

: BTW, team 292... a rookie team! Wow!


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