TEAM 1699 BUILD CONCEPT!

[cobrawanabe1699]

Eh yguys, I'm Matt Cydylo. Those who attended Harford/UTC and New Hampshire regionals last year recognize as the Bacon Bobcat, and propbably remember my shenanigans wit girls and such...
Anyway, I was tossing ideas aound with mentors and teammmates involving our 2008 build...
-DUAL (side-by-side) build of a competitive and practice robot. Ask questions, and I will elaborate. Thanks...

[Andrew Bates]

Why spend the money building two identical robots that have the same function when you could build one and use the leftover money to help another team or use it to get more people involved in FIRST.

[JamesBrown]

Originally Posted by corpralchee

Why spend the money building two identical robots that have the same function when you could build one and use the leftover money to help another team or use it to get more people involved in FIRST.

Some teams do this with a lot of success, a second robot can make programming and driver practice easier. Some teams even use the second robot in the off season by lending it to a team that would like to compete the following year, allowing them to experience competition before their rookie year.

If you have the money and resources then why not.

[EricH]

Used before with success. For a bigger challenge, try building a practice/prototype robot first and then building the competition robot. Or, pay for another competition. Or start a FTC or FLL team.

[Ross340]

340 tried that last year but ended up cannibalizing the practice bot to get the competition bot in tip-top shape. But with some success, it was very basic and we were able to turn it into a static display at Rochester International Airport with minimal work done to it.

[alex1699]

hey i know you...

(loser stop hittin on the chicks!)

well my idea on this is we should build a practice one put of cheap stuff plywood and what not in the first week and a half. then see how it works and if we like it we build it for real. with a little bit of changes you know.

and any way ill talk to you tomorrow Matt.

[Akash Rastogi]

Originally Posted by alex1699

well my idea on this is we should build a practice one put of cheap stuff plywood and what not in the first week and a half. then see how it works and if we like it we build it for real. with a little bit of changes you know.

I believe that's what you call prototyping But yea..left over money = next season's budget or new FLL/FTC Teams.

[cobrawanabe1699]

Ya. We're gunna cannibalize last year's bot and modify the chassis (made from the build kit) to at least have a rolling chassis replica of the comp bot. The bots will be built literally in unison, with them set up less than 10 feet away from eachother through the whole build. Should make for some SICK NASTY build season pix!!! Hey Alex... Have you already forgotten what we iscussed in the meeting TONIGHT??? Shame on you. Shame. Pssssh. Haha jk

[AdamHeard]

Originally Posted by corpralchee

Why spend the money building two identical robots that have the same function when you could build one and use the leftover money to help another team or use it to get more people involved in FIRST.

Many teams use practice bots; it's one of the main causes of their success.

I've heard the same from many veteran teams, but this is just the most recent example I've heard.

[cobrawanabe1699]

Originally Posted by alex1699

fill me in i have no clue?

Aaaaaaand, you should be shot. haha, jk. Sooo, just read my three previous posts, they should fill you in pretty darned well. Does anyone have any more questions???

[Madison]

...just interrupting with a friendly reminder that IM-style conversations are discouraged on the forums and that there are probably better avenues for intra-team discussions than this, so let's try to stick to the topic.

Thanks!

[JesseK]

1885 used 2007's prototype frame that had a million holes in it (but it was still purple) to make a new scrimmage bot for offseason events. This scrimmage bot was the first 1885 bot that was fully CADed and was also the first 1885 bot that used pneumatics. Needless to say, prototypes do not have to go to waste.

That said, we have this year's basic prototype concept frame done and hope to have the drivers driving within the first week so the programmers know who they're programming for. This frame will also be used in the offseason for experimentation with any whacky drive train ideas anyone comes up with.

I don't think 2 frames is a waste, though imho 2 sets of parts for 2 robots is.

[Taylor]

Two Indiana teams spring to mind from 2007 - 45 built two Rack bots (I believe one was kit and one was spare parts) which allowed them to practice driving & programming through March. This led to their victory at St. Louis and a very close call at the Boilermaker Regional.
234 bought two kits as I recall, with the intention of allowing the upstart POWER team to use the secondary bot. They not only won the BMR but gained a ton of awards.
For teams fortunate enough to do so, building two robots is certainly beneficial.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by boiler

For teams fortunate enough to do so, building two robots is certainly beneficial.

Definitely the case here. 330 built one in three weeks, even before the decision on how to work ramps was reached. (Accomodations were made in case we wanted to use them. We didn't.) The remaining three were spent in refining the design to perfection. Everyone was happier--programmers could test auto modes, drivers could practice, engineers could make small modifications quickly. Then, when we traveled, we took apart the running gear of the practice robot and removed the arm and brought those with us for spare parts. (Which is where our spare arm came from on Einstein.)

Four uses of practice robots: Concept check, program test, driver practice, and spare parts (if you do it right). Keeping your real design semi-secret at pre-ship events is another advantage--unless you do really well!

[Grant Cox]

217 has made a practice bot for as long as I can think of (since 05 for sure, before that I dont know but possibly). This year it was especially useful, as the game required exquisite driver/operator skill and cooperation. The biggest advantage I know of (from a driver's POV) is the literally unlimited drive practice. We were there almost every day after school on our practice field, trying out new strategies, just working on our "oneness" as a whole.

I also know 1114 had ridiculous drive practice sessions, and if you ever got the chance to see their bot in action this year you'd see that right away.