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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Pilot Rookie Competition
I've heard that it's about $250,000 for a full regional. I'd guess that a lot of that is from venue costs. (The rest would be the A/V, primarily. Maybe team social as well.)
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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Pilot Rookie Competition
I have no idea what the goals and objectives of IRI 2007 were other than providing a rocking competition this summer. It also provided an excellent opportunity to take a moment and savor where FIRST has come from, where FIRST is, and where it could possibly go - in a high school gym. It was a total blast.
At some point, a tier system or districting system may need to be looked at regarding FRC teams. We may not be there yet in all areas across the board but there appear to be regions that need to start addressing growth needs now. This can be used as a pilot program as is stated, for learning and developing, and it has great models to work from, in many ways, in off season events like IRI. The deal with homework is that it works. There have been dedicated teams who have done their homework and as this continues, options will need to be looked at and explored. |
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Well, first off, as much as it sounds good, there are many reasons there will never be a FRC team in every high school, I don't care what state you're from. Even if money was taken out of the equation, personalities and other administrator's priorities cannot be.
I understand you want to help out the rookies by giving them an opportunity to shake out their designs. I think it is unfair they get to play with their robots before a regional and after ship date. Do the veterans from MI have a different ship date than the rest of the country? I think not. I think it is very fair. My team is a small team who has never been able to do more then just the 1 competition. Do you remember what it was like to be a rookie. More than likely most of the teams who come won't even have a robot fully built. I can't speak for any other state, but here in MI we tend to help each other as much as possible. We hold mini scrimmages before ship, we help each other during build. Not just online either. I personally helped 4 other teams the day before and day of ship. Monday night I didn't get to bed until 3 AM. Our robot was finished and others needed help. I hope others do this as well. Instead of criticizing, come join us. I think it is going to be a ton of fun. We are doing things a little different. We will have donated prizes like batteries, tools etc instead of trophies. Kettering who is the top engineering school out there has graciously donated the space for this fun event. Last edited by maltz1881 : 20-02-2008 at 23:03. |
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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Pilot Rookie Competition
[quote=maltz1881;704028... I think it is going to be a ton of fun. We are doing things a little different. We will have donated prizes like batteries, tools etc instead of trophies. Kettering who is the top engineering school out there has graciously donated the space for this fun event.[/QUOTE]
I hear that many teams like CD, WildStang, Martians, and company have so many trophys that they use them for door stops and hammers. Too bad there wasn't a Rookie Regional to start them off right. The RR now has 23 registered teams. They only need one more (and for all to show up) to fill the elimination rounds. One more rookie team out there should not pass up such a deal. You will get to play in the eliminations. You will get at least 16 qualifying matches*. That's two regionals worth of playing time, and all for $500!!!! *calculated using a very generous ten minute separation between match. The usual separation is seven minutes. |
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I'm looking forward to working at the tournament. |
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Seeing as how teams only have one rookie year, that deal is gone for good! |
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So now the question becomes how to trick the scoring system into creating a 7-alliance finals. Copioli knows how to do it by hand, and how NOT to do it automatically (something about no such Team Zero), as found out at ARC last year.
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I remember seeing somewhere along the way, using all the teams to form alliances with one alliance incomplete (I would guess it was the 8th seeded), and then running the first quarterfinal and selecting the highest ranked team eliminated in that first QF to fill the partial alliance. That way all of the teams still play in the elimination rounds. Good luck to all of the participants! |
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The amusing part was though everyone knew the concept, the scoring software couldn't be convinced that Alliance 8 consisted of Teams 0, 0 and 0. We were all ready to go, but couldn't cue up a match on the field software. |
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I'd rather see them have placebo robot(s) for the entire competition. Many veteran teams in the area have practice robots that could fiil the schedule. All 23 teams would get into the elims, and if a few veterains come and fill in, they could substitute for any rookies that fall by the wayside. Another option I've seen done at RahChaCha, was to have the first seed select only one partner, and then sit out until the other side of the bracket produced a losing alliance. The #1 seed then adopted the lowest seed from that first eliminated alliance. So, every team got to play; the #1 seed didn't get a bye (but did have three robots); and one lucky team got second chance - with the #1 alliance to boot!!! Last edited by Jack Jones : 29-02-2008 at 12:05. |
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