**FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Game Hint #2

[maltz1881]

After thinking about it for a night here is my guess. We will need to stack boxes on a counterscale. Some of the boxes will contain a weight of some type and the infra red will be hooked to that weight and we will need to find those few boxes to win. Probably wrong but that would be the FIRST time this year !!!!!

[Brandon Holley]

I'd just like to say something pertaing to the trinity church reference everyone is talking about and national treasure the movie.

The trinity church they visit, and where they eventually find the treasure is the trinity church in NEW YORK CITY not in BOSTON (where I live 90% of the year).

Just something to keep in mind.

[Mihai]

new game piece:



I know that's irrelevant to the hint, but c'mon...that would be awesome!

[backwindow]

reading all the pages, everyone has it wrong, the coords point to the statue nothing else, just the statue, if you google Copley Square Statue, you will find the name the of the statue. You will find out that it is a statue of John Singleton Copley, a late 1700's american painter, but thats not very important, his name is however, look in his name (software guys!!) what do you see? well i see Singleton, a design pattern-"This is useful when exactly one object is needed to coordinate actions across the system." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singleton_pattern now, I have yet to figure out how to tie in the third number into anything, maybe someone can figure something out with this pattern.

[Brandon Holley]

My summation based on reading 21 pages of information:

I feel that the first 2 numbers are most definitely GPS coordinates.

I also feel that the 3rd number is bearing.

Thinking back on old game hints, to be quite honest, you cannot get much out of them. Maybe the games name, shape of the game piece, and maybe some other piece of information.

I don't think this trend will stop ANYTIME soon, so, based on the 3 numbers I think you just have to take that as it comes. It points through 2 pillars at the globe cafe/hancock tower(which has counterweights). I expect to see something involving this stuff in 2008s game.

Other than that, I do not think you can pull much more information from this. Happy hunting everyone...

[maclaren]

So I looked up John Copley on wikipedia and found that he was the painter that painted the famous painting of Paul Revere. Which made me thing of the beacons from the top of the church the "one if by land two if by sea".

I also like the trunkin reference with the visible and invisible lights which would use the CMUCam and the IR Board.

The third number referring to direction which looks to be pointing directly through the two obelesks to the Globe Bar and Grill is a great tid bit.

[Akash Rastogi]

Originally Posted by backwindow

reading all the pages, everyone has it wrong, the coords point to the statue nothing else, just the statue, if you google Copley Square Statue, you will find the name the of the statue. You will find out that it is a statue of John Singleton Copley, a late 1700's american painter, but thats not very important, his name is however, look in his name (software guys!!) what do you see? well i see Singleton, a design pattern-"This is useful when exactly one object is needed to coordinate actions across the system." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singleton_pattern now, I have yet to figure out how to tie in the third number into anything, maybe someone can figure something out with this pattern.

This pattern or something similar was brought up in a previous post. Also, people who were talking about other things besides the statue were not referring to the first 2 numbers of the coordinates, the third number which is the compass bearing angle determines where it is pointing. We already know the coordinates are for the statue, the other locations such as Trinity Church and the Globe Cafe have just been things spotted around this area. There really is no point in only looking at the statue itself because the GDC would never make a clue that simple.

[ZachKahn]

Originally Posted by backwindow

reading all the pages, everyone has it wrong, the coords point to the statue nothing else, just the statue, if you google Copley Square Statue, you will find the name the of the statue. You will find out that it is a statue of John Singleton Copley, a late 1700's american painter, but thats not very important, his name is however, look in his name (software guys!!) what do you see? well i see Singleton, a design pattern-"This is useful when exactly one object is needed to coordinate actions across the system." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singleton_pattern now, I have yet to figure out how to tie in the third number into anything, maybe someone can figure something out with this pattern.

Could this one object be a signal received by the IR sensor???

[Joe G.]

Originally Posted by angelSAY

When the three numbers are added together you get 313.515859. If rounded it looks like 314. Also if the 1585 part is rounded this gives you 159. Well this looks an awful lot like pi, 3.14159... Circles or arcs anyone? THe only difference between 313.515859 and pi is that 313.515859 is a hundred times bigger. Maybe 100 balls?

Or it could mean almost a circle. More evidence for footballs

[lackadaisy :)]

Originally Posted by backwindow

You will find out that it is a statue of John Singleton Copley, a late 1700's american painter, but thats not very important, his name is however, look in his name (software guys!!) what do you see? well i see Singleton

wait, isn't singleton what they called it when you got just one tube last year?

[Leav]

Well I just had to go and watch the "National Treasure" movie and I got a few clues from that... i'll post them with a spoiler format.... (highlight to read)

(also apologizes to anyone using a text browser.... try skipping this next part without reading it to avoid spoiling the movie...)

-------------=============Spoiler Start==============---------------

In the new national treasure Nicholas Cage kidnaps (or PresiNaps) the US President because he wants to know if there is really a secret book containing all the secrets of the united states.

this book supposedly is passed down from president to president and only they know it's secret location.

also supposedly this book contains the answers to many conspiracy theories..
the "Truth" about area 51, the Kennedy assassination and much more....

the president reveals the location of the book, and tells Cage's charecter that they will find what they are looking for there.. and then he says: "oh and do me a favor and check out page 47" (or something like that)

Later in the movie the President asks Cage if he read page 47, and if he (cage)could help him (the president) with the matter, cage answers something along the lines of "yeah, I can.. it will alter the world".

I swear on the pasta monster that I was completly distracted from the movie... every time they said 47 I was like... "Chief Delphi!!!" and that last quote I was thinking "He's talking about FIRST!!"

--------------------========= End Spoiler =======---------------

I didn't even watch the movie... I was just looking for clues that could help solve the FIRST hints...
lol....

-Leav

[Shorty]

How's this?


Could they be infared numbers? The robots needing to navigate between something that is pure white, emits a little infared light, or emits a lot? I know that the infared numbers are not supposed to go below 300, but I've never seen what happens when you shoot extra light @ the sensors.....




Of course, I could always be crazy.

[DonRotolo]

Originally Posted by Alan Anderson

I did the same thing, but I stopped when I found a fountain in that direction. It's right between the obelisks.

Fountain? Water Game???

Originally Posted by Kyle O'Don

Besides, the numbers point in the center of the square not the church.

No, GOOGLE MAPS point to the center of the square. The actual coordinates are slightly to the east of the center of the square.

Originally Posted by rees2001

Can someone out there in the Boston area that has a GPS device please find the exact location of those coordinates?

YES PLEASE! Nobvody so far has shown anyone what exactly lies at those coordinates!

Originally Posted by JesseK

We need a fairly accurate picture and a volunteer:
1.) Go to the statue at the coordinates

I have seen nothing that confirms there is a statue at those coordinates. Again, Google is just defaulting to the center of the square.


The coordinates given are accurate to better than a foot (0.000001 degree is about 10 cm at 42 degrees latitude), so what someone needs to do is get a USGS 7.5 minute contour map of the Copley Square area and locate this exact point; alternatively, GO THERE with a GPS unit and, within 15 feet or so, find where this point is.

The height above Mean Sea Level at that point is approximately 14 feet; if we're talking about 28 feet (Thanks Nuttyman54) then it could be the top of something 14 feet tall. I don't think it's 342 feet (the church is not that tall) and 342 meters is ~1111 feet, there's nothing that tall at those coordinates.

The John Hancock tower is across the street, I really do not think that's it.

The best I figure from USGS.GOV is that it's one corner of Trinity church, the NW corner, but I can't tell for certain, and having never been there...

So, who lives near Boston and is free this weekend?

-...-

Don



[EDIT]: 'holding the answer in their hands' (or somesuch): Hey, we're holding the IR Board in our hands![/EDIT]


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[whlspacedude]

The last friday of every month Copley Square is the gathering point for Critical Mass. Critical Mass is a lot of fun.

Funny that was the name of our first robot (critical mass)

[Daniel_LaFleur]

I know that most people are considering these numbers as coordinates, but I was thinking that they might, instead, be the start of a series.

I don't have Excel on this machine so extracting the next numbers in the series is ... erm ... difficult .