**FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Game Hint #2

[ervtech]

red soxs and infared...... i dont know, when i think of Boston i think of the redsox. and that has red in it. I dont know, just putting it out there.

[web_master_dpep]

well i looked up the square, i came up with a photo of abunch of people against GE foods. possilbly the game could do somin with that,idk.

[Quantumman]

A couple of thoughts about these numbers being used in competition:
1) Civilian GPS is only accurate to ~15 feet and it doesn't doesn't work very well indoors
2) To measure a position that accurate is nearly impossible because even assuming those numbers are in meters, you would lose most of the precision to the play of the gears.
3) The IR board cannot be given numbers, you can only give it a signal from a remote(or other ir device) and have it associate that with a specific output(4 total)

As for the exact nature of the numbers I think that the full precision in necessary, every other year the full hint is important and every piece has meaning so I don't think this year will be different.

I do want to know if anyone figures out what is at those exact coords. I also think that there is enough in that square that relates to the IR board and can be related to elements of a game the it makes sense that they are coords.

The attachment show the location of the statue based on google street view images, the coord. point to a location that is off screen toward the mini map.

[andrew418]

Sorry it took so long to reply back. I think it is a lamppost because of these pictures.
http://sprg.ssl.berkeley.edu/~clee/i...q_fountain.jpg
this shows the obelisks, and where the coordinates point behind them, there is not statue. A lamppost is visible, though.

Also, the wikipedia picture of the statue:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ySculpture.JPG
shows tree cover and grass nearby, which is not near the coordinates on Google earth.

Even if we are looking into the clue too far, and the coordinates are the clue, I fon't think that's a necessarily bad thing. The clue's primary purpose is to get FIRST participants excited about the game. At least we're having fun, right?

By the way, attached is the view that I think makes it look like a lamppost:
(notice the four white round objects, which I think are globes for the lights)

I may be completely wrong, but that's why we're discussing it on the forum.

[Kyle O'Don]

Personally, using Google Earth with coordinates points toward two people, since a "center shaft" for the post is not present. However, this doesn't really matter because regardless of whether it is a stature, lamp post or pair of people "it" points to the globe cafe through the obelisks with the third coordinate.

[charmed862]

Okay, looking at the picture of the Statue of John Singleton Copley, he is looking in some direction, does anybody know whats in that direction? It's probably nothing but it never hurts to check.

[DonRotolo]

Originally Posted by andrew418

At least we're having fun, right?

By the way, attached is the view that I think makes it look like a lamppost:
(notice the four white round objects, which I think are globes for the lights)

Indeed: we may be driving ourselves crazy, and barking up the wrong tree (much to Dave's bemusement), but, well, it really is a fascinating process.

As for the photo of "four white round objects": That is an image of two people standing, side by side. Look at the shadows.
[EDIT] Kyle beat me to it[/EDIT]

Don

(Doesn't NASA have image enhancement software we can use to figure out what that is? Doesn't Dave work for NASA? Hmmm....)

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[ervtech]

wait.... what if the first two numbers are the coordinates to copley square right. Then what if the third number is the distance from the center of the square that the object we are looking for is?? maybe

[ervtech]

or it could be something that is just flying under everybodys radar because i dont think that the people from FIRST and NASA would just hand us the game on a silver platter.

[andrew418]

So if those are two people, that means that the third coordinate is definitely a bearing. I think that we should definitely consider the GLobe bar and grill as a possibility for where it is pointing. However, I also think that we should keep looking further along the 342 degree line, to see if there is anything along a more exact path. I think that it doesn't make sense to include so many decimal places for the bearing for such a close object. Unless FIRST included six decimal places to indicate something else.

[njamietech]

Originally Posted by ervtech

wait.... what if the first two numbers are the coordinates to copley square right. Then what if the third number is the distance from the center of the square that the object we are looking for is?? maybe

The only question is the units for distance.

Is it miles, feet, meters, inches, etc.?

I think your headed in a good direction though.

[dani190]

Originally Posted by amethyst23s

I definitely agree with this statement... the clue is the answer. I'm not so convinced as everyone else that they are GPS coordianates, but I bet these three numbers will be critical to the game somehow. They look a lot like measurements of some sort, althought the negative in the second number kinda throws that theory off a little.... but anway, my point is that while everyone seems to think that these clues are pointing to more clues about the game, I think the connection will be a little more direct.

Obviously FIRST thought it out so it could be anything. They made the number so that it could be GPS coordinates and they also made it so it can be anything you really want it to be.

Personally don't i think they are messing with your minds and so far they have succeeded. They are getting everyone so stressed out for nothing.

[T3_1565]

Originally Posted by njamietech

The only question is the units for distance.

Is it miles, feet, meters, inches, etc.?

I think your headed in a good direction though.

I agree this seems like a good idea!!!

I also think if it is the statue that we should look 342 degrees from where it is looking!

[dani190]

Originally Posted by ervtech

or it could be something that is just flying under everybodys radar because i dont think that the people from FIRST and NASA would just hand us the game on a silver platter.

Exactly do you really think NASA. Let me say that again NASA, would make it that easy? Think about it its NASA some of the worlds brightest people probably work there. Even if they don't i think that they are way more qualified than us. Meaning they can make this thing very very complicated. They have probably spent months doing this hint.

Also read up people have mentioned the fact that what people think the game is and what it ends up being isn't even part of the truth.

Too bad someone doesn't know someone on the inside

Merry Christmas, Dani

[LSC Darkside451]

Please excuse me because I’m quite new to this forum stuff, but I think everyone here on Chief Delphi is taking this whole hint thing too literally. Two years ago for the “Aim High” game we were given the hint about seeing Mt. Everest’s “Green Heights”, or something to that effect. In the end we realized the hint meant seeing the green light up in the air for targeting the goal. The hint certainly didn’t me to go to Mt. Everest to see what you could see.

I’m not concentrating so much on where the GPS coordinates are pointing, but rather that they are pointing to a specific point on a map. Combine this with the IR board now. It might just mean that these IR boards are going to be pointing to a very specific point on the playing field.

I could be going off on a tangent at this point, but it also seems that the coordinates are pointing at a light post in the square. I could personally read this two ways. Either (A) it means that the IR boards are going to be used in place of the CMU Cams to find this specific point like the green lights. Or (B) it will be used in tandem with the CMU Cams to help track targets on the field like the green lights.

Don’t take my word for it though. I could never be 100% sure about any of my solutions to a game hint. The only thing I know for sure though is that the game hints never give you enough of the picture to figure out the entire game. They only ever seem to give you one very important piece of the puzzle to solve and that’s it.

But that doesn’t stop me from trying…