How does descoring work?

[LordTalps]

Originally Posted by Scott358

The ball weighs about 10 lbs, so a blast of air from six inches away is going to be tough.

I assume the ball is nested in the bridge, therefore the bottom might be below the 6' limit. This might allow you to punch the ball off. Thoughts?

Getting my math out, brb.

But to jgannon, you can turn around and knock it down.
7.2 Definition of crossing

You're considered crossing when ALL PARTS have crossed the line. GO past, turn around, don't fully cross the line, you're fine and dandy.

[jgannon]

Originally Posted by LordTalps

GO past, turn around, don't fully cross the line, you're fine and dandy.

No! What you describe would not be considered crossing, but it would certainly be breaking the plane. Remember, "Once a ROBOT has CROSSED a LANE MARKER or FINISH LINE, it shall not break the plane of the line by moving in the clockwise direction." Any motion that caused you to break the plane of that line from there would have to be clockwise in nature.

[Ragnarokae]

Originally Posted by jgannon

No! What you describe would not be considered crossing, but it would certainly be breaking the plane. Remember, "Once a ROBOT has CROSSED a LANE MARKER or FINISH LINE, it shall not break the plane of the line by moving in the clockwise direction." Any motion that caused you to break the plane of that line from there would have to be clockwise in nature.

The key word here is "moving." Wouldn't pivoting be allowed? You could at lest pivot counter-clockwise if that is where the problem lies.

[LordTalps]

Originally Posted by jgannon

No! What you describe would not be considered crossing, but it would certainly be breaking the plane. Remember, "Once a ROBOT has CROSSED a LANE MARKER or FINISH LINE, it shall not break the plane of the line by moving in the clockwise direction." Any motion that caused you to break the plane of that line from there would have to be clockwise in nature.

Hope you're not getting too worked up, just thinking in a lot of directions and not spent a lot of time arond the rules. You're definitely right there. We might be limited to the bottom of the ball, going to figure out how low it hangs in a second.

Another thought though -- what if they intended for it to be a penalized process? If you want to get your second ball into play, you have to gamble the points?

[Ragnarokae]

Originally Posted by LordTalps

Another thought though -- what if they intended for it to be a penalized process? If you want to get your second ball into play, you have to gamble the points?

If so, the human demonstration didn't show it.

[Gertlex]

Use another ball to descore a ball?

Edit: As seen in the Arena rules, the Home stretches are only a quarter of the field each. Go past your opponents finish line and you're free to return to >6' height. You can stop and drive around in a given quarter of the field, as long as you don't go back across a line.

[Ty Tremblay]

You cannot be over 6' high in your opponent's home stretch, so you must go under the overpass in order to reach high enough to descore the ball. BUT, when you go under the overpass, you cannot touch the ball because you would then break the plane of the opponent's finishline, causing you to recieve a penalty.

This seems like a vicious circle to me.

[Ragnarokae]

Originally Posted by icdumbpeeps305

You cannot be over 6' high in your opponent's home stretch, so you must go under the overpass in order to reach high enough to descore the ball. BUT, when you go under the overpass, you cannot touch the ball because you would then break the plane of the opponent's finishline, causing you to recieve a penalty.

This seems like a vicious circle to me.

Well, we have about 2 inches of space that the ball will hang down below the plane. Still, two inches is not a lot of space...

[jgannon]

It's good to see that there is potentially a way to legally descore. In any case, I'm really hoping that this isn't the intent of these rules. As a referee, it's going to be insanely difficult to tell if a robot was at 72" or 73" when it knocked out the ball.

[LordTalps]

Originally Posted by jgannon

It's good to see that there is potentially a way to legally descore. In any case, I'm really hoping that this isn't the intent of these rules. As a referee, it's going to be insanely difficult to tell if a robot was at 72" or 73" when it knocked out the ball.

Yep. There's some guesswork in the case, and you'd have to be very hopeful the ref didn't decide to penalize you just for coming close to the height limit. That or have some very good evidence that you didn't/can't.

[skrew-ball]

ok, my team is here discussing this. would the risk of a penalty at end game be worth it? a 10 point penalty and a 12 or 24 point denial. The height penalty is also done by the break of the height plane, not the time out of it. So you could extend out, knock off the 2 balls and drive around in the opposing lane, preventing any future occurance. -10 on you, -?? on them minimum of -12 on them. Thus giving you a minimum of a 2 point advantage, increasing in 12 point increments.

Also, couldn't you score more than 10 points to offset the penalty?

[jgannon]

Originally Posted by skrew-ball

ok, my team is here discussing this. would the risk of a penalty at end game be worth it? a 10 point penalty and a 12 or 24 point denial. The height penalty is also done by the break of the height plane, not the time out of it. So you could extend out, knock off the 2 balls and drive around in the opposing lane, preventing any future occurance. -10 on you, -?? on them minimum of -12 on them. Thus giving you a minimum of a 2 point advantage, increasing in 12 point increments.

Also, couldn't you score more than 10 points to offset the penalty?

There was some discussion about this idea last year... if it was worth it to interfere in the opponent's home zone, take a couple penalties, but keep the opponent from lifting. The general consensus was that intentionally taking penalties would be a yellow-cardable offense. I don't necessarily agree with this (I like the idea of fouling to stop the clock in basketball, or taking a delay-of-game in football to give your punter more room to kick), but that seems to be the prevailing opinion. However, this year there is only one instance of a yellow card being mentioned in the manual, and no explanation of how the card system works, so it's hard to say if there will actually be yellow cards. Maybe intentional penalties will be acceptable this year?

[skrew-ball]

So at this point I assume it is ok

p.s. others, the yellow card is for not moving when bumped
after 6 seconds

[LordTalps]

It's a lot of point counting, unless the rules somehow get changed or opened up for more interpretation.

[Ragnarokae]

Originally Posted by LordTalps

It's a lot of point counting, unless the rules somehow get changed or opened up for more interpretation.

Yeah, one of the speakers on the Kickoff broadcast said the the refs were in for a rough time. The refs have to go through an actual course and tests before they can actually referee.