OVERDRIVE Rules/Scoring Questions

[LordTalps]

Originally Posted by Ragnarokae

<G08> All TRACKBALL scores are awarded to the ALLIANCE associated with the scored TRACKBALL, independent of the ROBOT that may have caused the scoring action to occur.

<G09> During the HYBRID PERIOD, each TRACKBALL that is removed from the OVERPASS (i.e. completely removed from its initial TARGET LOCATION and not in contact with any portions of the OVERPASS) at the end of the HYBRID PERIOD will earn 8 points.

You get 8 points per trackball OF YOUR COLOR that is knocked off in Hyrbrid mode.

I might just be losing it today, but I don't like the phrase "scored trackball". Does the process of taking a trackball off of the overpass consider the trackball "scored"? Are the points being awarded because a trackball was taken off, or because your trackball was taken off? If the latter, I don't know how a team is going to make it around the corner of the wall, knock over the other ball without breaking the 6 foot height limit, and do it deterministically so they don't knock over the wrong ball on accident and give the other team 8 points. Seems incredibly hard to do, especially with other robots more than plausibly in the way.

[Ragnarokae]

Originally Posted by LordTalps

I might just be losing it today, but I don't like the phrase "scored trackball". Does the process of taking a trackball off of the overpass consider the trackball "scored"? Are the points being awarded because a trackball was taken off, or because your trackball was taken off? If the latter, I don't know how a team is going to make it around the corner of the wall, knock over the other ball without breaking the 6 foot height limit, and do it deterministically so they don't knock over the wrong ball on accident and give the other team 8 points. Seems incredibly hard to do, especially with other robots more than plausibly in the way.

Don't worry, you aren't losing it . Everyone has questions with these rules....

If the Blue Alliance removes a Red trackball from the overpass, the Red Alliance would get the 8 points (according to G08 and G09). If the Red Alliance removed one of their own trackballs, the Red Alliance would receive 8 points.

And yes, once a trackball is removed from the overpass it is considered scored (meaning the Alliance cannot receive the 8 points twice for the same ball).

I think that there is some strategy in this part. I agree that it is a stretch for one robot to get both balls down in the Hybrid phase. Thus, it should be a priority to get the points. If there are two robots that are able to remove the trackballs, one should go for the ball on their side, and the second should aim for the ball on the enemy's side.

Now I have a question of my own. During the Hybrid phase, could you remove the ball from the overpass before you cross the finish line and then hurdle the ball?

[Boothy180]

Originally Posted by Ragnarokae

Now I have a question of my own. During the Hybrid phase, could you remove the ball from the overpass before you cross the finish line and then hurdle the ball?

I don't see why not, there is no rule forbidding it, and as the trackball has not completely crossed over the line, there is no reason it shouldn't be allowed to be scored.

[ewankoff]

Originally Posted by Dizzy_Lizzy

so a robot cannot posses a track ball while it is being scored? For instance could a robot carry a ball over the finish line? or simply push it? To confirm it cannot be touching the track ball When it crosses the line in order to get the 4 points (2 for the ball 2 for the bot).

Originally Posted by pakratt1991

Correct, your robot my not be in possession of the track ball when you cross the finish line for the track ball to give you an additional two points.

actually im pretty sure you can't be touching the ball at all when passing over the finish line. I pulled this general rule of thumb from the rule: the ball must touch the ground or another robot after crossing the finish line to be scored be scored.

[pakratt1991]

<G10> Each TRACKBALL that has CROSSED its own FINISH LINE while not in contact with a
ROBOT of the same ALLIANCE will earn 2 points. A TRACKBALL that has CROSSED its
own FINISH LINE which contacts ROBOTS of both ALLIANCES while CROSSING will earn
2 points.

you are correct, I misread the rule. good catch

[cbudrecki]

Originally Posted by FIRST OVERDRIVE Manual

<G10> Each TRACKBALL that has CROSSED its own FINISH LINE while not in contact with a
ROBOT of the same ALLIANCE will earn 2 points. A TRACKBALL that has CROSSED its own FINISH LINE which contacts ROBOTS of both ALLIANCES while CROSSING will earn 2 points.

In other words, unless a YOU AND YOUR OPPOSITION are BOTH in contact with the ball AS IT CROSSES the line, YOU may NOT touch it. Although what about if say a RED bot is in contact with a BLUE ball as it crosses?

[GaryVoshol]

Originally Posted by tb222

In other words, unless a YOU AND YOUR OPPOSITION are BOTH in contact with the ball AS IT CROSSES the line, YOU may NOT touch it. Although what about if say a RED bot is in contact with a BLUE ball as it crosses?

Then Red just scored for Blue.

[Techno-Turkey]

Im not on a FRC team (yet) but I still wanna know the game.

Are you allowed to be in position of both of your alliances trackballs?

[GaryVoshol]

Originally Posted by Techno-Turkey

Im not on a FRC team (yet) but I still wanna know the game.

Are you allowed to be in position of both of your alliances trackballs?

No. That's readily apparent from a quick reading of the rules. See <G26>

[Taylor]

Originally Posted by Techno-Turkey

Are you allowed to be in position of both of your alliances trackballs?

Long answer: <G29> states that robots may not be in possession of a trackball belonging to an opposing alliance, and a 10 pt penalty may be assessed for each violation. However, herding opponents' trackballs or removing them from the overpass is okay.
Short answer: no.
However, if the opponent's trackball leaves the field of play, there is no penalty that I can find. If you can figure out a way to remove the trackballs from play without possessing them, it may be an interesting strategy (although the refs will reintroduce them as soon as they can)

[BaldGuy]

In response to Boilers comment about not finding any penalty for ejecting the opponents Trackball, I will go out on a limb and guess you will get further clarification in the future something to the effect that "intentionally throwing your opponents Trackball out of the arena is not in the spirit of the competition, and will be viewed as un-sportmanslike."

[jwdougan]

Has anyone read <G10>? It says "Each TRACKBALL that has CROSSED its own FINISH LINE while not in contact with a ROBOT of the same ALLIANCE will earn 2 points. A TRACKBALL that has CROSSED its own FINISH LINE which contacts ROBOTS of both ALLIANCES while CROSSING will earn 2 points."

Who gets the points?

[EricH]

Originally Posted by jwdougan

Has anyone read <G10>? It says "Each TRACKBALL that has CROSSED its own FINISH LINE while not in contact with a ROBOT of the same ALLIANCE will earn 2 points. A TRACKBALL that has CROSSED its own FINISH LINE which contacts ROBOTS of both ALLIANCES while CROSSING will earn 2 points."

Who gets the points?

Read the manual again.

Originally Posted by <G08>

<G08> All TRACKBALL scores are awarded to the ALLIANCE associated with the scored TRACKBALL, independent of the ROBOT that may have caused the scoring action to occur.

[Matthew2c4u]

thats a great question dude, i think because the robots cant move backwards that would be allowed but remember u only have 15 sec to take it off set it down pick it back up and hurdle it. all on hybrid commands

[Ragnarokae]

Originally Posted by Ragnarokae

Now I have a question of my own. During the Hybrid phase, could you remove the ball from the overpass before you cross the finish line and then hurdle the ball?

Lol, I answered my own question while looking at G12.

<G12> A TRACKBALL must CROSS a LANE MARKER before it can score for the first time by HURDLING or CROSSING its FINISH LINE.