2008 game confusion thread

[LordTalps]

Originally Posted by Tottanka

so in a selected quarter of a field you may move as you wish?

Yes

[tony.dalia.195]

so the fact that you can only have 4 commmands isnt limited by the rules it is just limited by the controller, so if you have one command toggle to another set of commmands, that is ok?

[Tottanka]

A question about the IR thingy.
Is it possible to have one of the 4 cahnnels swith different modes, for example, switch between arm control and drive control, and those making the other 3 buttons do a different thing in each of those modes?

[BanksKid]

FIRST im confused on why Dean said that "Overdrive isn't a hint" when it was the game......WHAT COULD THIS MEAN....HAVE THEY ALL BECOME AS MISCHIEVIOUS AS DAVE?!?!?!?! lol

2-A robot cannot be over 6' in an opponents home stretch so then how is one to play defense by removing balls or to even more important put balls into play?? can you sit behind the finish and reach back in...that would put your bot over 6' in the opponents home stretch....HELP!?!?!?!

[JayZ]

Originally Posted by Tottanka

A question about the IR thingy.
Is it possible to have one of the 4 cahnnels swith different modes, for example, switch between arm control and drive control, and those making the other 3 buttons do a different thing in each of those modes?

there's alot more information on the IR remote in section 8.3.8

Originally Posted by 2008 Manual

<R69> Reaction of the ROBOT to communications received from the SIGNALING DEVICE must
meet all of the following criteria:
• For a single MATCH, the ROBOT shall be limited to react to a maximum of four distinct
commands - either through hardware or software limitations, or a combination of the two.
• The ROBOT shall not dynamically change the recognized command set during a MATCH....

according to that you cannot have the robot do different things when you press any series of buttons. however, i'm not sure if this includes having a button toggle between 2 simple functions, like toggling an arm between moving up and down?

[jacobhurwitz]

Originally Posted by Tottanka

A question about the IR thingy.
Is it possible to have one of the 4 cahnnels swith different modes, for example, switch between arm control and drive control, and those making the other 3 buttons do a different thing in each of those modes?

After reading only section 7 of the rules, I thought this was possible. But after reading section 8, I'm sure it's not. According to <R65>, "Active SIGNALING DEVICES shall: be able to switch between no more than four states or conditions (i.e. send no more than four messages)... [and] not use changes in the signal states to encode or transmit larger messages (e.g. Morse code)."

Having a "mode switch" plus three other buttons would qualify as six "states" and, thus, is illegal. Additionally, having a multi-button sequence is also illegal. However, I think having one button do two things is allowed as long as it can be described as one thing and the robot autonomously decides which of the two to do, for example, arm toggle.

See also http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=60694

[neutrino15]

Also, as I just added to the first post, the youtube video clearly shows a red robot above the overpass in the blue home stretch!

Youtube Still Frame

[Legionofone]

Hey all, I had a question regarding breaking the plane lines of the four quadrants. What if a robot crashes into your robot and the only way fo ryou to get out is to back up over a line? Is this still a penatly you aren't doing it to gain an advantage.

[MNov]

The other robot has 6 seconds to move before he's disqualified or receives a penalty, so you just wait it out.

[Laaba 80]

Originally Posted by Legionofone

Hey all, I had a question regarding breaking the plane lines of the four quadrants. What if a robot crashes into your robot and the only way fo ryou to get out is to back up over a line? Is this still a penatly you aren't doing it to gain an advantage.

In your situation, im not sure. I remember seeing that if a robot from a different alliance pushes your robot across the line your alliance will not be penalized. When you say "Crashing" I dont mean if they are intentionally pushing you over the line, or if there is accidental contact and the two robots become intangled. Clarify and Ill see if i can help more.
Joey

Edit: Here is the rule
<G23> Causing PENALTIES - A ROBOT’s action shall not cause an opposing ROBOT to break a
rule and thus incur penalties. Any rule violations committed by the affected ROBOT shall be
excused, and no penalties will be assigned. For example, an opposing ROBOT may not be
pushed into another ROBOT in an attempt to cause a IMPEDING situation and violation of
Rule <G40> by the opponent, nor may a TRACKBALL be placed intentionally on an
opposing ROBOT for the purpose of causing the opponent to violate Rule <G26>.

[jgannon]

Originally Posted by Legionofone

Hey all, I had a question regarding breaking the plane lines of the four quadrants. What if a robot crashes into your robot and the only way fo ryou to get out is to back up over a line? Is this still a penatly you aren't doing it to gain an advantage.

If you're really stuck, then you probably won't be penalized for crossing the line.

<G23> Causing PENALTIES - A ROBOT’s action shall not cause an opposing ROBOT to break a rule and thus incur penalties. Any rule violations committed by the affected ROBOT shall be excused, and no penalties will be assigned. For example, an opposing ROBOT may not be pushed into another ROBOT in an attempt to cause a IMPEDING situation and violation of Rule <G40> by the opponent, nor may a TRACKBALL be placed intentionally on an opposing ROBOT for the purpose of causing the opponent to violate Rule <G26>.

[Laaba 80]

Originally Posted by MNov

The other robot has 6 seconds to move before he's disqualified or receives a penalty, so you just wait it out.

No, this rule is only in effect when you Signal to Pass (bumping another robot)

<G38> Signal To Pass – A ROBOT may indicate a desire to pass an IMPEDING ROBOT by
approaching the opponent ROBOT and “bumping” the back of the opponent ROBOT
(relative to the Direction of Traffic) .

<G41> Permitting To Pass - When a ROBOT has received a signal to pass (see Rule <G38>), or
when the REFEREE signals that a ROBOT is pinning an opponent in place, the ROBOT
shall have 6 seconds to move out of the way and create a “passing lane” to allow the
opposing ROBOT through. ROBOTS that fail to do so within 6 seconds after the “signal to
pass” shall receive a PENALTY. Repeated infractions will result in a YELLOW CARD being
issued to the ROBOT.

[TomZ]

Is it possible to have a string of commands from a controller meaning different things?

i.e.

#1,#2,#of ft to drive forward - Drive Forward
#1,#3,#position to move arm to (three set positions on the y-axis)

[MNov]

No, you can't.
Well, technically, you can, but you'll be disqualified.

[Ragnarokae]

Originally Posted by TomZ

Is it possible to have a string of commands from a controller meaning different things?

i.e.

#1,#2,#of ft to drive forward - Drive Forward
#1,#3,#position to move arm to (three set positions on the y-axis)

It's because you can only have a maximum of four commands.