How does descoring work?

[LordTalps]

Originally Posted by Ragnarokae

Yeah, one of the speakers on the Kickoff broadcast said the the refs were in for a rough time. The refs have to go through an actual course and tests before they can actually referee.

I was more thinking on a strategic side but yes, the refs are in for trouble XP

[MarySheridan]

So the rules state that

<G36> HOME STRETCH Height Restriction – ROBOTS in the HOME STRETCH of the opposing ALLIANCE can not be more than 6 feet tall. A PENALTY will be assigned for each infraction.

In the video of the HUMAN PLAYERS, the blue alliance was passing a ball over the lane divider. Though the lane divider is 6ft tall, stretching to get the ball over the top seems to be pushing it. Is that okay to do? Just sit there and wait for a ball to come your way?
On that note, I know there have been six zillion threads on this, but it has been decided that pushing a Trackball off of the other side of the overhand during any mode would be considered illegal, correct?

[LordTalps]

Originally Posted by MarySheridan

So the rules state that

<G36> HOME STRETCH Height Restriction – ROBOTS in the HOME STRETCH of the opposing ALLIANCE can not be more than 6 feet tall. A PENALTY will be assigned for each infraction.

In the video of the HUMAN PLAYERS, the blue alliance was passing a ball over the lane divider. Though the lane divider is 6ft tall, stretching to get the ball over the top seems to be pushing it. Is that okay to do? Just sit there and wait for a ball to come your way?
On that note, I know there have been six zillion threads on this, but it has been decided that pushing a Trackball off of the other side of the overhand during any mode would be considered illegal, correct?

It's not illegal, just very hard to do without breaking either G22 or G36 as posted above.

[Kingsmen]

The definition of crossing the line is that all the parts of the object have to cross the line. So a manipulator crossing into the homestrech but not the rest of the robot would not count for the height rule.

[legotech25]

Originally Posted by icdumbpeeps305

You cannot be over 6' high in your opponent's home stretch, so you must go under the overpass in order to reach high enough to descore the ball. BUT, when you go under the overpass, you cannot touch the ball because you would then break the plane of the opponent's finishline, causing you to recieve a penalty.

This seems like a vicious circle to me.

But does the finish line tape count as the home stretch or not? chances are it does, but then our only access point is the two or so inches that extend past the pvc...

[Nick Moroz]

It is my understanding that the "Home Stretch" (in which your robot has to be 6' or under) is only 1/4 of the field. As shown in the picture below, taken from the manual, the "Home Stretch" is defined as the area from your finish line to the middle of the field. Therefore, you can go past the opposing alliance's "Home Stretch" and knock the ball from the roost towards the opposing alliance's "Home Stretch". This allows the opposing alliance to easily push their ball past their finish line: a seperate strategy.

Bottom line: go past their "Home Stretch" and knock their ball from its roost.

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Nick Moroz
Volunteer Engineer
Team 548 Robostangs

[Nathans]

Originally Posted by Nick Moroz

It is my understanding that the "Home Stretch" (in which your robot has to be 6' or under) is only 1/4 of the field. As shown in the picture below, taken from the manual, the "Home Stretch" is defined as the area from your finish line to the middle of the field. Therefore, you can go past the opposing alliance's "Home Stretch" and knock the ball from the roost towards the opposing alliance's "Home Stretch". This allows the opposing alliance to easily push their ball past their finish line: a seperate strategy.

Bottom line: go past their "Home Stretch" and knock their ball from its roost.

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Nick Moroz
Volunteer Engineer
Team 548 Robostangs

That doesn't work, since G22 says you can't break the plane of a lane marker or finish line once you've crossed it.

[Kevin Sevcik]

Originally Posted by Nick Moroz

It is my understanding that the "Home Stretch" (in which your robot has to be 6' or under) is only 1/4 of the field. As shown in the picture below, taken from the manual, the "Home Stretch" is defined as the area from your finish line to the middle of the field. Therefore, you can go past the opposing alliance's "Home Stretch" and knock the ball from the roost towards the opposing alliance's "Home Stretch". This allows the opposing alliance to easily push their ball past their finish line: a seperate strategy.

Bottom line: go past their "Home Stretch" and knock their ball from its roost.

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Nick Moroz
Volunteer Engineer
Team 548 Robostangs

Nick, the concern is the interaction with this plan and G22. G22 states that a robot will be penalized if it breaks the plane of a finish line or lane marker that it has CROSSED. So if you cross the opponent's line to get out of their home stretch and extend above 6', then you can't have any part of your robot break the plane of the finish line while you're bumping the ball back and away from you.

[Brandon Holley]

Heres something interesting..

If you look at the game animation, a red robot OBVIOUSLY exceeds the 6 foot mark in the blue alliances homestretch. Its at 1:52 in the animation. This contradicts the rule.

[gam3fr3ak1]

Originally Posted by Kingsmen

The definition of crossing the line is that all the parts of the object have to cross the line. So a manipulator crossing into the homestrech but not the rest of the robot would not count for the height rule.

But the rule for going backwards is different, you cant "break the plane" so no part of your robot can go back to a previous quadrant w/o incurring a penalty

[d.courtney]

Just do it from your side. Reach over the wall and hit the ball off. No height restriction there

[Nick Moroz]

I think you may be right. However; there should be part of the ball that sticks over the plane of the "Home Stretch". It will most likely be a judgment call by the referee.

If it is the case that you cannot knock the other alliance's ball from their side of the field, then at least you can knock down their ball if they put it on the roost of your alliance's side. I do believe that any ball of your alliance that is suspended by the arena and not a robot will score you 12 pts. <G14>

[Daniel_LaFleur]

Hmmm.... am I missing something here???

If we break the 6' height restriction in the "home strech" we incur a 10 point penalty but we may be able to remove 12 (or 24) of the opponents points in doing so?

Does this mean that they are encouraging us to break that restriction?

[Nick Moroz]

Also, the rails of the overpass are 32" wide, allowing roughly 4" of ball on either side that would not be in the "Home Stretch". 4" should be plenty to knock it down.

[lukevanoort]

Originally Posted by d.courtney

Just do it from your side. Reach over the wall and hit the ball off. No height restriction there

Because of the 80" operating size restriction, I don't think that'll work either.