OVERDRIVE Rules/Scoring Questions

[Boothy180]

If a trackball is placed on the overpass, then removed by an opponent (in the c-clockwise direction), does it count as a hurdle?

[sarcasticmadnes]

Question: Can the trackball be scored if one robot be in possession when it crosses the finish line? G10 only talks about no contact and contact w/ 2 robots. So, if it only one robot, does it still count? Thanks

[Ragnarokae]

Originally Posted by Matthew2c4u

But doesnt G09 imply that during the hybrid period G08 does not apply?
And per this chart on the rules

note summarized

I wouldn't think so. <G08> says "all" trackball scores, so even hybrid phase would be affected. I think that they both work in tandem, neither of them canceling the other.

The difference between the two is that you get 8 pts, in Hybrid phase, for knocking a ball down. If there is still a ball up after the 15 sec of Hybrid, then the ball may still be knocked down, but no points will be awarded.

[Ragnarokae]

Originally Posted by sarcasticmadnes

Question: Can the trackball be scored if one robot be in possession when it crosses the finish line? G10 only talks about no contact and contact w/ 2 robots. So, if it only one robot, does it still count? Thanks

No. The ball must either have absolutely no contact with a robot of the same Alliance, or must make contact with robots of both Alliances before touching the ground on the other side of the finish line.

[Ragnarokae]

Originally Posted by Boothy180

If a trackball is placed on the overpass, then removed by an opponent (in the c-clockwise direction), does it count as a hurdle?

HURDLE: When a TRACKBALL CROSSES a FINISH LINE while passing above the OVERPASS and then contacts either the floor or another ROBOT before re-contacting the originating ROBOT.

The definition of "hurdle" is "passing over the overpass" (no pun intended) .
So the opposition would have no chance of knocking over the ball because it must completely go over the overpass, not rest on it.

You might be thinking of the ending, when Alliances receive 12 points per ball resting on the overpass at the end of the match. In this case, they can knock it down, thus preventing you from scoring, but not receiving any points themselves.

[sarcasticmadnes]

Originally Posted by Ragnarokae

No. The ball must either have absolutely no contact with a robot of the same Alliance, or must make contact with robots of both Alliances before touching the ground on the other side of the finish line.

I was asking about the ball crossing under the overpass. Anyone know if it can only touch one robot? Thanks.

[Boothy180]

Originally Posted by Ragnarokae

HURDLE: When a TRACKBALL CROSSES a FINISH LINE while passing above the OVERPASS and then contacts either the floor or another ROBOT before re-contacting the originating ROBOT.

The definition of "hurdle" is "passing over the overpass" (no pun intended) .
So the opposition would have no chance of knocking over the ball because it must completely go over the overpass, not rest on it.

You might be thinking of the ending, when Alliances receive 12 points per ball resting on the overpass at the end of the match. In this case, they can knock it down, thus preventing you from scoring, but not receiving any points themselves.

So therefore; resting the trackball on the overpass, then pushing it over yourself is not a legal maneuver for a hurdle?

And yes, I was referencing the ending; you place the trackball on the overpass, hoping to get 12 points at the end of the match. The other alliance descores it, but you get 8 points for a completed hurdle, after all, the trackball did pass completely over the overpass , is this a correct interpretation?

[Ragnarokae]

Originally Posted by LordTalps

I might just be losing it today, but I don't like the phrase "scored trackball". Does the process of taking a trackball off of the overpass consider the trackball "scored"? Are the points being awarded because a trackball was taken off, or because your trackball was taken off? If the latter, I don't know how a team is going to make it around the corner of the wall, knock over the other ball without breaking the 6 foot height limit, and do it deterministically so they don't knock over the wrong ball on accident and give the other team 8 points. Seems incredibly hard to do, especially with other robots more than plausibly in the way.

Don't worry, you aren't losing it . Everyone has questions with these rules....

If the Blue Alliance removes a Red trackball from the overpass, the Red Alliance would get the 8 points (according to G08 and G09). If the Red Alliance removed one of their own trackballs, the Red Alliance would receive 8 points.

And yes, once a trackball is removed from the overpass it is considered scored (meaning the Alliance cannot receive the 8 points twice for the same ball).

I think that there is some strategy in this part. I agree that it is a stretch for one robot to get both balls down in the Hybrid phase. Thus, it should be a priority to get the points. If there are two robots that are able to remove the trackballs, one should go for the ball on their side, and the second should aim for the ball on the enemy's side.

Now I have a question of my own. During the Hybrid phase, could you remove the ball from the overpass before you cross the finish line and then hurdle the ball?

[Boothy180]

Originally Posted by Ragnarokae

Now I have a question of my own. During the Hybrid phase, could you remove the ball from the overpass before you cross the finish line and then hurdle the ball?

I don't see why not, there is no rule forbidding it, and as the trackball has not completely crossed over the line, there is no reason it shouldn't be allowed to be scored.

[Matthew2c4u]

thats a great question dude, i think because the robots cant move backwards that would be allowed but remember u only have 15 sec to take it off set it down pick it back up and hurdle it. all on hybrid commands

[Ragnarokae]

Originally Posted by Ragnarokae

Now I have a question of my own. During the Hybrid phase, could you remove the ball from the overpass before you cross the finish line and then hurdle the ball?

Lol, I answered my own question while looking at G12.

<G12> A TRACKBALL must CROSS a LANE MARKER before it can score for the first time by HURDLING or CROSSING its FINISH LINE.

[Ragnarokae]

Originally Posted by sarcasticmadnes

I was asking about the ball crossing under the overpass. Anyone know if it can only touch one robot? Thanks.

<G10> Each TRACKBALL that has CROSSED its own FINISH LINE while not in contact with a ROBOT of the same ALLIANCE will earn 2 points. A TRACKBALL that has CROSSED its own FINISH LINE which contacts ROBOTS of both ALLIANCES while CROSSING will earn 2 points.


Yeah, what I said (restating G10) only applies to crossing. hurdling has its own set of rules.

[Matthew2c4u]

well, shows i need to read the booklet more
So do u think that you can take the ball and bump it hard with your robot over the overpass, or do you think that u cant use powerful throwing mechanisms for safety reasons, is there a height limit on the field, is it to dangerous to throw the trackball i think the robots could take damage from a flying trackball there pretty heavy to fall from a big height.etc

[Ragnarokae]

Originally Posted by Boothy180

So therefore; resting the trackball on the overpass, then pushing it over yourself is not a legal maneuver for a hurdle?

And yes, I was referencing the ending; you place the trackball on the overpass, hoping to get 12 points at the end of the match. The other alliance descores it, but you get 8 points for a completed hurdle, after all, the trackball did pass completely over the overpass , is this a correct interpretation?

Well, just to redefine hurdling here:
HURDLE: When a TRACKBALL CROSSES a FINISH LINE while passing above the OVERPASS and then contacts either the floor or another ROBOT before re-contacting the originating ROBOT.

The ball just has to "pass above" the overpass, so it would work to set it down on the overpass and then push it over.

I think that you have the interpretation right, just as long as they push your ball off over the finish line instead off backwards.

[Matthew2c4u]

Originally Posted by Ragnarokae

Well, just to redefine hurdling here:
HURDLE: When a TRACKBALL CROSSES a FINISH LINE while passing above the OVERPASS and then contacts either the floor or another ROBOT before re-contacting the originating ROBOT.

The ball just has to "pass above" the overpass, so it would work to set it down on the overpass and then push it over.

I think that you have the interpretation right, just as long as they push your ball off over the finish line instead off backwards.

Fine ignore me lol
Nah im JK i dont care