2008 Kit of Parts discussion

[Kevin Sevcik]

Originally Posted by Tomasz Bania

The lack of a camera makes no dense to me because in the manual (don't remember where) it stated that one the balls for each alliance has 12" white circles to help with guidance. How would you see the circles without a camera?

Question: Are We allows to use the CMU cams?

You can use whatever it's legal to use under the Robot Rules. The CMUCam is a COTS item under $400, so it's legal to buy and use one. The white dots on the trackballs are used to help the refs and scorers keep track of which ball is which to make sure they circle the track before scoring again.

[neoshaakti]

does anyone know what the cooling fans model number or w.e is?
I've never seen one of these things...what are they for if one uses a victor to cool a motor? thanks appreciate it

[BanksKid]

maby the absense of gearboxes is due to last years incident with them?

[Kims Robot]

Has anyone else inventoried ours? our first pass through by our students shows that we are missing 21 lines of stuff off of the checklist!! Im about to go check...

[tecumsehman]

does any one have the wiring diagram for the IR receiver

[ChuckDickerson]

Oddly, the mini-bike motor is still listed on the IFI-FIRST store for purchase and says it is FIRST legal. Is this true or a left over from last year? Is the mini-bike motor included in the KoP or not?

[Andrewpbhs]

well seeing as IFI lists them as FIRST Legal and the Rules dont restrict use of it, id have to say its an all systems go as long as u order it.

[Ricky Q.]

Originally Posted by Andrewpbhs

well seeing as IFI lists them as FIRST Legal and the Rules dont restrict use of it, id have to say its an all systems go as long as u order it.

Not so fast on this one:

<R59> Additional motors specifically permitted on 2008 FRC ROBOTS include:
• All motors, actuators, and servos provided in the 2008 Kit Of Parts,
• HITEC HS-322HD servos,
• FIRST Tech Challenge (FTC) servos (Innovation First part number 276-2162),
• FIRST Tech Challenge (FTC) motors (Innovation First part number 276-2163),
• One or two additional 2-1/2” CIM motors (part #FR801-001 and/or M4-R0062-12 in addition
to those provided in the Kit Of Parts. This means that up to four, and no more, 2-1/2” CIM

motors can be used on the ROBOT.

[Richard Wallace]

Originally Posted by Andrewpbhs

well seeing as IFI lists them as FIRST Legal and the Rules dont restrict use of it, id have to say its an all systems go as long as u order it.

The 2008 FRC Manual does restrict the use of non-kit motors. See <R60>.

Originally Posted by 2008 FRC Manual, <R60>

Items specifically PROHIBITED from use on the ROBOT include:
• Electric motors and/or servos different from, or in addition to, those in the Kit Of Parts, with the exception of those specifically permitted by Rule <R59>.
• Electric solenoid actuators (note: electric solenoid actuators are NOT the same as pneumatic solenoid valves – the latter are permitted, the former are not).

[MasterChief1732]

Does anyone have a clue as to what the strange looking metal angle parts in the kitbot chassi are? (the ones that look like a face). I have not really looked into this yet, but I was curious.

[Richard Wallace]

Originally Posted by MasterChief1732

Does anyone have a clue as to what the strange looking metal angle parts in the kitbot chassi are? (the ones that look like a face). I have not really looked into this yet, but I was curious.

Since they are called Transmissions Mounts (see p. 25 of the Kop Checklist) I guess they are for mounting the Toughbox transmissions.

[Vikesrock]

I believe the piece you are referring to is the "Transmission Mount Top"

Originally Posted by MasterChief1732

Does anyone have a clue as to what the strange looking metal angle parts in the kitbot chassi are? (the ones that look like a face). I have not really looked into this yet, but I was curious.

[MasterChief1732]

Thanks for the input. We normally use other transmissions, so I did not recognize it. Also, did any team actually get a list of parts with the kit? We looked for one for almost a half an hour, we finnaly just got it off the FIRST website.

[ergodezign]

Originally Posted by beemgruem

Did any one else get only 2 pieces of AWI-16 shafts??? The sheet says 4, but the picture shows 2. Since the quantity and the picture are usually corresponding, is it a typo or are we missing two shafts?

we are missing the 2 shafts also...I'm betting that we will get an update telling us that we should only have 2 becasue the pic only shows two.

[ergodezign]

Originally Posted by DeepWater

Oddly, the mini-bike motor is still listed on the IFI-FIRST store for purchase and says it is FIRST legal. Is this true or a left over from last year? Is the mini-bike motor included in the KoP or not?

Take a look at this clip from the 2008 FIRST 2008 GUIDELINES,TIPS, & GOOD PRACTICES. Looks like a big typo because we do not have the Big CIM or the BaneBots Planatary in our KOPs

Special Notes on Motors
CIM motors - The 2008 Kit of Parts provides two FR801-001 CIM Motors. The kit also includes
1 - FP801-005 Mini-bike motor. The Parts kit also includes a pair of NEW 12:1 56mm planetary
gearboxes supplied by BaneBots. These assemblies readily accept mounting of FR801-001
CIM motors supplied in the kit. Section G.5.4.1 describes a procedure to fit the motor onto the
gearbox.
Denso Window Motors- These motor/gearbox assemblies have an automotive quick-connect
electrical connection, which is a Packard type (P/N 12129487). The Packard mating connector
part number is 12129486. This item is not provided in the kit. While having a genuine mating
electrical connector is ideal, an alternate connection method for this motor would be to use a
pair of 14-16 gauge female insulated Slip-on (Quick Disconnect) terminals such as Terminal
Supply part BB-8135 or Stakon’s RB14-110F terminals. These terminals fit posts 110 x .032 in.
and will make a firm and reliable connection for the motor.
You will also find a 9-toothed plastic coupler supplied by Pelham Plastics which mates the
Denso motor output gear to either a 5/8” keyed shaft or, by the flange coupling, to a drive plate.
Keyang window motors - There are two Keyang window motors in the 2008 KoP, PNs
16627960 or 61 and 16631023. The 16627960 (or 61) has an automotive quick-connect 2-
piece electrical connector supplied in the KoP.
The kit includes couplers that mate the output gears of the Keyang window motors to drive
various mechanisms.