What the heck is going on????

[daftpunk79]

what if you use a sort of spring action?

[neutrino15]

to not being over 6' in your opponent's home stretch, i say:

[daftpunk79]

you mean use that to pick it up from the other side of the divider????

[David Brinza]

Extending your robot arm (appendage) across the opponent's finish line from the other side of the overpass most likely violates rule <G36>.

BTW, I noticed that there's a related thread on this subject:

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...threadid=60767

A moderator might step in and merge the discussion...

[daftpunk79]

i only started this thread to find out exactly how many rules we're having prob. with and how many i need to discuss with my mentors monday.....then it got to this.

[David Brinza]

Originally Posted by neutrino15

to not being over 6' in your opponent's home stretch, i say:

Lot's of discussion going on about this. In defense of the animator, the rules are probably in flux until the last minute before the manual is released, but the animation is completed earlier...GDC will likely resolve this in Update #1

[daftpunk79]

its still confusing and frustrating..........

[David Brinza]

Originally Posted by daftpunk79

its still confusing and frustrating..........

Well, you've only got six more weeks of confusion and frustration before the robot goes in the box.

The rules will get clarified in the next few days, don't worry - be happy!!

[Spylake]

I can think of several solutions.

1. Cross line and pop it back wards.
2. Leave it in place and collect 12 points.
3. Take the penalty
4. Use the other ball to bump it. The rule says only the ROBOT can not exceed 6 feet.
5. Gentleman's agreement with the opposition to put all balls in play
6. Ed on our team pointed out that if your wheel contact point is over the line you are no longer in their home stretch and can reach back and tap it.

Maybe the rule is intentional and won't be changed.

[David Brinza]

Originally Posted by Spylake

I can think of several solutions.

1. Cross line and pop it back wards.
2. Leave it in place and collect 12 points.
3. Take the penalty
4. Use the other ball to bump it. The rule says only the ROBOT can not exceed 6 feet.
5. Gentleman's agreement with the opposition to put all balls in play
6. Ed on our team pointed out that if your wheel contact point is over the line you are no longer in their home stretch and can reach back and tap it.

Maybe the rule is intentional and won't be changed.

Starting with the first and last points, the entire robot must break the plane of the opponents finish line to exit the opponent's home stretch. If the robot then backs up and breaks the plane moving in the wrong direction, it's assessed a penalty <G22>. It may be possible to knock the ball off "backwards" without having the robot break the finish line plane.

With the second and fourth points, the opposing alliance will want to leave your trackball on it's overpass until the last second. The "gentleman's agreement" will probably need to include language like "agree to knock opponent's ball off at the first teleoperated pass" otherwise things might get "sticky".

As long as a possessed ball is not considered to be part of the robot (I haven't seen a rule that states this is the case), knocking your ball off with another ball would work. If the possessed ball is released before hitting your ball on the overpass, then I don't believe any infraction is incurred.

Taking the penalty outright just doesn't seem right, but if it's done early enough the alliance still might net a bunch of points.

Comment: In the kick-off, we were reminded that FIRST is not about winning at all costs. Is it GP to intentionally incur a penalty? Maybe this is a test...