FIRST Overdrive Animation

[FourPenguins]

As holders of the copyright, would FIRST and the GDC be interested in posting it on YouTube or a similar site themselves in order to increase the availability of the game design animation to teams and especially outsiders?

[Tomasz Bania]

I know this may be a longshot, but couldn't FIRST put certain content on a Creative Commons License (or similar)? FIRST is all about adopting future ideas while also instilling past morals, but couldn't they try something like this out or are the lawyers crying out (assuming FIRST has a team of Lawyers) that it should be a flat out Copyright.

Tomasz Bania

[Wetzel]

I've never had trouble downloading video from FIRST at any point more than 5 hours after kickoff. Patience is useful.

Wetzel

[David]

Originally Posted by Wetzel

I've never had trouble downloading video from FIRST at any point more than 5 hours after kickoff. Patience is useful.

Wetzel

but i have heard of people not being able to access the FIRST website (my friend can't get on to download the manual)

[Tomasz Bania]

Originally Posted by David

but i have heard of people not being able to access the FIRST website (my friend can't get on to download the manual)

I've been having problems accessing first websites in general since kickoff. FIRST website is fine now (disaster to get onto kickoff day) but Chief Delphi has periods were it might take me up to 20 seconds to load a new page. (Side Note: Definately not related to my internet connection)

[RyanCesiel]

Originally Posted by Wetzel

I've never had trouble downloading video from FIRST at any point more than 5 hours after kickoff. Patience is useful.

Wetzel

Well, I believe the NASA video broadcast broke up right when the animation came up, so most just wanted to see it since they didn't during the kickoff.

As far as when we were able to get the video, we came right home from the kickoff, arriving at about 1:30pm EST, downloaded it, then we weren't able to access NASA until 10pm or 11pm without it being veeeeerry slow.

Another thumbs up for Creative Commons, we're only trying to promote FIRST.

[FourPenguins]

The only reason that I would see that FIRST would wish to enforce their copyrights (they could license it) is to prevent improper or misleading usage (i.e. clips being shown out of context, use of the animation on a non-FIRST appropriate site). What I fail to see is any reason why FIRST would have anything against rebroadcasting the game in a controlled, appropriate fashion (as in, by FIRST themselves on video networking sites). The primary objective I see for this is not for access by FIRSTers (we all know usfirst.org is there), but rather access to the video by the world community as a whole (and subcommunities such as youtube).
Is this really so important? No.
Can FIRST do whatever they want with this video? Of course.
My $0.02.

[rjmah]

The number of copies posted to You Tube and then subsequently removed indicates that FIRST should create their own You Tube presence with appropriate links to their own website for use by the general public.

[dlavery]

Originally Posted by rjmah

The number of copies posted to You Tube and then subsequently removed indicates that FIRST should create their own You Tube presence with appropriate links to their own website for use by the general public.

Or perhaps the people that are posting the copies of the video should just take one simple, easy step before they re-distribute the footage: ask for permission. In nearly every case of which I am aware, permission to re-host similar materials has been quickly granted for projects such as these. Or, in the few cases where it was not, a legitimate reason for denying the request was provided and an alternative distribution mechanism was suggested.

Once again, the copyright law dictates that you can not re-publish works that are not yours without permission. If you don't have permission to re-publish, then you have three choices:
- don't re-publish (or re-host or re-distribute) it at all
- publish it illegally, and be in violation of the law (and
be prepared to accept any consequences that may arise)
- ask for permission

Try option #3. You may be pleseantly surprised at the response you receive.

-dave

[RyanCesiel]

Originally Posted by dlavery

Or perhaps the people that are posting the copies of the video should just take one simple, easy step before they re-distribute the footage: ask for permission. In nearly every case of which I am aware, permission to re-host similar materials has been quickly granted for projects such as these. Or, in the few cases where it was not, a legitimate reason for denying the request was provided and an alternative distribution mechanism was suggested.

Once again, the copyright law dictates that you can not re-publish works that are not yours without permission. If you don't have permission to re-publish, then you have three choices:
- don't re-publish (or re-host or re-distribute) it at all
- publish it illegally, and be in violation of the law (and
be prepared to accept any consequences that may arise)
- ask for permission

Try option #3. You may be pleseantly surprised at the response you receive.

-dave

Thanks once again Dave, we immediately removed the video from Vimeo and took it off our site after I saw your other post in the Youtube Animation. Is it possible to ask for permission prior to the Kickoff? Also, to gain permission, who would I contact (I'd rather not have to fill out FIRST's very extensive contact form asking for way too much personal information)?

[dlavery]

Originally Posted by RyanCesiel

Thanks once again Dave, we immediately removed the video from Vimeo and took it off our site after I saw your other post in the Youtube Animation. Is it possible to ask for permission prior to the Kickoff? Also, to gain permission, who would I contact (I'd rather not have to fill out FIRST's very extensive contact form asking for way too much personal information)?

Yes, it is usually possible to get permission for re-broadcast and/or re-distribution prior to the kick-off. Fire off a PM to and I will send you the points of contact for the kick-off broadcast and animation, and documentation.

-dave

[HighLife]

The Vimeo Link has been taken down.

Originally Posted by Tomasz Bania

I know this may be a longshot, but couldn't FIRST put certain content on a Creative Commons License (or similar)? FIRST is all about adopting future ideas while also instilling past morals, but couldn't they try something like this out or are the lawyers crying out (assuming FIRST has a team of Lawyers) that it should be a flat out Copyright.

Tomasz Bania

I agree. It would only help FIRST get the word out about their great program.

[Cow Bell Solo]

Originally Posted by HighLife

The Vimeo Link has been taken down.



I agree. It would only help FIRST get the word out about their great program.

I agree too. I am our teams website programmer and I would love to be able to put the Game animation on our website so viewers to our site can view the video then instead of having to click on a link and then probably another, and they would most likely give up and be turned away.

Thats my personal opinion

[JaneYoung]

Originally Posted by Cow Bell Solo

I agree too. I am our teams website programmer and I would love to be able to put the Game animation on our website so viewers to our site can view the video then instead of having to click on a link and then probably another, and they would most likely give up and be turned away.

Thats my personal opinion

We click on links in ChiefDelphi all the time.
I click on links at work all the time for work related access to forms, materials, instructions, travel documents.