How do you get your other ball

[Nuttyman54]

Originally Posted by [B

Wvoo369[/b]]There is another strategy a team can you to knock off the trackball on the opposing side. In the Hybrid mode you only receive a penalty of two points when going above the 6' zone. This would allow you to use that trackball in the telioperated period rather then having to knock it down in the telioperated period and potentially losing 10 points or more.

If I have misread the rules please clarify for me. Thank you.

Originally Posted by EricH

I see only one point value for penalties (unless you count disable and DQ as point values.) It isn't 2 points. There is no distinction made between Hybrid and Teleoperated.

I believe he's saying there's a NET loss of 2 points, (Gain 8 from knocking it down in Hybrid, loose 10 for being over 6'). However, since this would be an intentional and repeated infraction of the rules, it would be subject to DQ

[AcesPease]

Originally Posted by Nuttyman54

I believe he's saying there's a NET loss of 2 points, (Gain 8 from knocking it down in Hybrid, loose 10 for being over 6'). However, since this would be an intentional and repeated infraction of the rules, it would be subject to DQ

Whew!

When does the FIRST Q n A usually get going? I don't recall there being this much of a lag in the past. But then I don't remember being this lost on a rule after the first weekend either.

[IbleedPink233]

This is very curious because in the animation, a robot very clearly reaches over 6ft to knock off their ball on the opponents' Overpass while within the opponents' home stretch. This was during Hybrid period.
Then, at the end of the game, a robot (maybe the same one) reached over from their lane to knock an opponent's ball off of the Overpass. By the way that we have been interpreting the rules (which is the good ol' literal methodology) both of these would incur penalties, but neither was even mentioned. There is some kind of discrepancy between the rules and the animation.
So I am fully convinced that the first manual update will clear everything up. If not, then I guess we'll just have to hope that our opponents will be gracious enough to knock our Trackballs down for us for the entire competition season

[dlavery]

Originally Posted by GaryVoshol

We understand your English very well. However, just because you saw it in the animation, that doesn't make it legal. There have been mistakes in the animations in the past.

I beg to differ. There have not been mistakes in the animations. There have been situations where, for a variety of reasons, the rules have been modified and/or updated between the time the animations were rendered and when the rules were publicized at Kick-Off. Those modifications may have made the animations and the rules appear inconsistent when they are viewed at a later date. But the animations have been consistent with the rules that were in effect at the time the animation was completed.

There is a difference.

[and before anyone asks "well does that mean that someone will explain the discrepancy between the animation and the current revision of the rules?" - for that information you will need to get an official determination from FIRST]



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[Kellen Hill]

Just to let everybody know, <G36> has been deleted in the manual on FIRST's website.

[Koko Ed]

Originally Posted by hill

Just to let everybody know, <G36> has been deleted in the manual on FIRST's website.

and with that there is no reason for this thread to exist anymore.