Hybrid mode question.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by dlavery

No it isn't. Look at the table. See that line directly above it that says "Scoring opportunities and point values are summarized in the table below"? Now read the rules (particularly <G12>) carefully. The rules are pretty clear. The summary table is just that - a summary. Don't assume that it contains every detail and nuance of the rules.

-dave

So fix it, Dave. Nothing says that a robot can't do a lap with a trackball in Hybrid and then hurdle while still in Hybrid. The table is a summary, yes, but it does say that a hurdle in hybrid mode is 8 points. Nothing else says different. (<G11> has no restrictions on mode.)

I was stating my personal opinion that it should be (not is) worth more, for the simple reason that any team that can go all the way around while retrieving a trackball and then hurdle it before time runs out is deserving of an extra bonus.

[dlavery]

Originally Posted by EricH

So fix it, Dave. Nothing says that a robot can't do a lap with a trackball in Hybrid and then hurdle while still in Hybrid. The table is a summary, yes, but it does say that a hurdle in hybrid mode is 8 points. Nothing else says different. (<G11> has no restrictions on mode.)

There is nothing to fix. Rule <G12> is quite clear. The fact that <G11> does not list all possible restrictions does not invalidate <G12>. Q.E.D.




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[EricH]

Originally Posted by dlavery

There is nothing to fix. Rule <G12> is quite clear. The fact that <G11> does not list all possible restrictions does not invalidate <G12>. Q.E.D.




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Remember, Dave, I did say it was possible for a trackball to be carried/herded across a lane marker in auto mode. If a team can somehow do that (won't be mine, I'm pretty sure), then they can get the 8 points for a hurdle in Hybrid, assuming they can do it on their own overpass within the time limit (and use the legal number of Robocoach commands). That is how I interpret <G11> and <G12> together. If the GDC interprets it differently, then I am in error, but I would also like to know how it would be interpreted.

(Something tells me that team 71 has already completed a robot that can do this twice per hybrid mode.)

[Capt. Quirk]

Dave,

Since you are watching this thread, I am concerned with Rule <G40> from the second update.

A robot could impede the flow of traffic while knocking down a TrackBall and then stay in place untill time is up or do it so slow that the process requires nearly 15 sec.

If 2 TrackBalls of the same color end up being paired together an alliance could effectivly block the lane by just taking their sweet time.

?? Is it possible to add a rule to require the robot that knocks the Trackball off the Overpass, must also compltely cross it's finish line in order for the 8 point bonus to count??.

Bill

[Capt. Quirk]

Originally Posted by EricH

Remember, Dave, I did say it was possible for a trackball to be carried/herded across a lane marker in auto mode. If a team can somehow do that (won't be mine, I'm pretty sure), then they can get the 8 points for a hurdle in Hybrid,

If I read the rules correctly, their are no points given for either of those abilities in Hybrid mode.

[ks_mumupsi]

Sorry for the pts error. But ya the point was really to just see if that would be a hurdle.

Thanks for your responses.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Capt. Quirk

If I read the rules correctly, their are no points given for either of those abilities in Hybrid mode.

Herding, yes. However, <G11> makes no distinction between modes. If no distinction is given, then none exists. (This may be due to time limits, but still, there is no distinction.) Therefore, you can get hurdling points in hybrid if the trackball has crossed one of the other lines on the field.

[Capt. Quirk]

Wow, I missed that one.

But it seemes like the rabbit still has the advantage.