80inch limit

[Vanquish]

Can you pass through the 80 inch square while your transitioning from your starting stage to your next stage? Like if your claw passes through while you are moving it into your competitive mode

[Vikesrock]

No, if at any point during the match your robot exceeds an 80" horizontal measurement from one point to another you will receive a penalty.

EDIT: Thanks Eric, I really have to do a better job of grabbing quotes from rules when I respond, then I won't make mistakes like this.

Seems like a question for the Q&A to me.

[EricH]

The rules say nothing about this situation, but...

I would assume, until further official notice, that you can't. After all, if you can break it while moving into playing configuration, then you could probably break it in playing configuration. Better safe than sorry.

Edit: Vikesrock, the relevant rule here is <R16>. <R16> says nothing about transitions into playing configuration, but I would assume those are also covered.

[wilsonmw04]

From what i understand, no. you cannot be any longer than 80" at any point during the game. There's another thread dealing with that topic running around here somewhere.

[vhcook]

Per R16, you can't exceed 80" in playing configuration, and playing configuration is defined as any configuration you are in while playing, which would appear to include transient configurations.

PLAYING CONFIGURATION - The physical configuration and orientation of the ROBOT while playing
the game (i.e. after the MATCH has started, and the ROBOT has deployed mechanisms, moved away
from the starting location, and/or interacted with the field, GAME PIECES, or other ROBOTS). This
configuration is dynamic, and may change multiple times during the course of a single MATCH

This is also being discussed over here: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...t=61401&page=7

[GaryVoshol]

Originally Posted by Vanquish

Can you pass through the 80 inch square while your transitioning from your starting stage to your next stage? Like if your claw passes through while you are moving it into your competitive mode

Originally Posted by vhcook

Per R16, you can't exceed 80" in playing configuration, and playing configuration is defined as any configuration you are in while playing, which would appear to include transient configurations.



This is also being discussed over here: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...t=61401&page=7

And the best answer from that thread is this one:

Originally Posted by ay2b

The rule can be rephrased as this: if you were to project all points of the robot onto the ground (i.e. a horizontal plane), would there exist any two points which are more than 80 inches apart? If the answer is yes, then the robot is too big.

In other words, look at the "footprint", a term that seems to get lots of mileage these days.

Vanquish references "transistioning" from starting to playing configuration. That is usually associated with what is commonly termed the "flop-bot", one that starts upright and then flops over to drive. Since R16 refers to the playing configuration, it can logically be argued that R16 doesn't apply until you get into the playing configuration.

However, the rest of Vanquish's post doesn't seem to be talking about a flop-bot. If to unfold your arm from its starting configuration you exceed 80" in a horizontal direction, you have come afoul of R16.

Back to the drawing board.

[Teched3]

I know this has been said before, but it is NOT an 80 sq. square, but an 80 in CYLINDER. If your robot can be placed within that 80 inch cylinder and expand or reposition without breaking the plane of that cylinder at any time, it is legal. That really puts some serious considerations on design, as deployment becomes a consideration.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Teched3

I know this has been said before, but it is NOT an 80 sq. square, but an 80 in CYLINDER. If your robot can be placed within that 80 inch cylinder and expand or reposition without breaking the plane of that cylinder at any time, it is legal. That really puts some serious considerations on design, as deployment becomes a consideration.

The Q&A removed the cylinder as part of the rule; it's a point-to-point extension. Think of the example of an 80 inch equilateral triangle and an 80 inch diameter circle. The triangle is outside the circle...but it is legal here.