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Re: How would you machine this?

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On top of that most abrasive cutting wheels are about 1/8 at most 3/16" which means you be making a lot more passes than two.
Its not a very good Idea to use an abrasive blade to cut aluminum. There are carbide tipped blades that are specifically meant to cut aluminum and other non-ferrous metals. Here is a link to the blade that I'm talking about.Non-Ferrous Metal Saw Blade


The most accurate way to do this would be do mill it on a manual vertical mill.

Almost any way you do it you will have to do multiple passes. There are vertical mills out there with beds longer then 60" but they are few and far between.

If you want to minimize the number of passes that you wil have to make. You could make a really big vise out of two pieces of precision ground bar stock The first one you would drill holes in and then bolt to one of the slots of the mill. If you buy a precision ground flat stock bar you should be able to find one that will key into the t-slot of the vertical mill that you are using. The second bar you would use as the moveable jaw and use cam action clamps to move the moveable jaw into the fixed jaw. Like the ones found here http://www.miteebite.com/products/multi-fixture_e.html

The other approach is to use multiple vises. The big thing is that you need to set it up to be as even as possible across the vises. An easy way to do this would be to clamp the vises on to a piece of bar stock and then using a test indicator to run along the edge of the bar and adjust the vises until the dial does not move along the length of the bar.

The biggest problem with this machining task is that you will be turning a ridged piece of box tubing into a not as ridged piece of channel. So in order to compensate for the material that you are removing you will need to make a couple of blocks that you can slide inside the tubing so that you have something to clamp down to so that the tubing does not deform under the clamping pressure. If the sides of the tubing bend in under the clamping pressure that would cause the .75" slot the you mill to become wider once you release the clamping pressure.

I would also mill the slot in two passes. I would not use a .75" cutter I would use a .5" cutter over two passes. This allows you to compensate for clamping deformation, and actual cutter size.


It would be even more accurate to mill this on a horizontal mill using a slitting saw. But good luck on finding one I don't know anyone that has one. But there are vertical to horizontal adapters for bridgeport mills that you can buy.

I have mill long slots in pieces of tubing and had to move and reclamp multiple times and it turned out fine it just took forever.


What type of tolerance are you trying to hold?

If you are planning on using this piece of box tubing in an elevator design it is not a bad idea to design in a degree of play so that the elevator does not bind as it goes up and down. Also please note that this piece of channel that you are making could easily deform under dynamic load and duing the competition.

I understand the desire to hold as tight of tolerance on machined parts as possible but just make sure that you don't design yourself into a corner by demanding that they stay that way.

I guess the moral of this story is that it is possible to make it as accruate as you want to pay for.
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Re: How would you machine this?

Yeah most likely would be a large cnc mill or a horizontal mill with a little programming put into it. That would help.
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Re: How would you machine this?

You might look at this link. I am not suggesting using this but, it is designed for a table saw to cut aluminum

http://justsawblades.com/systimatic/hsr_gold.htm
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Re: How would you machine this?

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You might look at this link. I am not suggesting using this but, it is designed for a table saw to cut aluminum

http://justsawblades.com/systimatic/hsr_gold.htm
that blade is not for a table saw so esstentially your just using a radial arm saw or a miter saw as a chopsaw why do that when they have saws specifically made for metal called a chop saw.
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Re: How would you machine this?

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The biggest problem with this machining task is that you will be turning a ridged piece of box tubing into a not as ridged piece of channel. So in order to compensate for the material that you are removing you will need to make a couple of blocks that you can slide inside the tubing so that you have something to clamp down to so that the tubing does not deform under the clamping pressure. If the sides of the tubing bend in under the clamping pressure that would cause the .75" slot the you mill to become wider once you release the clamping pressure.
We did something similar to this last year, on a shorter piece. The tubing will not want to stay rigid and hold the exact slot width that you machine. If you need the slot to be very close to 0.75, make sure to take more than one pass with a smaller bit so you can compensate for the spring effect. It may spring in or out, but be assured that if you take a single pass with a 0.750 mill, you will not end up with a 0.750 slot after you take the support blocks out. Otherwise, if you can leave the support blocks in the ends, that will help hold the tubing in it's original position.
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Re: How would you machine this?

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Its not a very good Idea to use an abrasive blade to cut aluminum. There are carbide tipped blades that are specifically meant to cut aluminum and other non-ferrous metals. Here is a link to the blade that I'm talking about.Non-Ferrous Metal Saw Blade
I've been machining working with aluminum for five years now. Never once have i had a problem with an abrasive cutting wheel they work great. If ihad the money to spend the 460 to 540 bucks to buy a carbide tipped blade and dry cut saw i would but if your going to spend that kind of money on a saw you mind as well spend the 2000 and buy a nice wet saw which is the ultimate solution.
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