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Hey I'm sure many teams are very busy and bumpers are the last things on their minds! Well, Team 2070 has a solution ---Team 2070 will make your bumpers for $50 only!! Just give us your team number, location, bumper dimensions, and color of choice for the bumper. We'll be more than happy to meet your expectations and such!! So, just email jparkteach@gmail.com with your request!!! Thanks!
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Re: Bumpers On Sale for $50 only! FROM TEAM 2070
Not to be critical or anything, but is this legal?
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Re: Bumpers On Sale for $50 only! FROM TEAM 2070
If they qualify as a vendor, I'd say yes.
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Re: Bumpers On Sale for $50 only! FROM TEAM 2070
Nope...
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Re: Bumpers On Sale for $50 only! FROM TEAM 2070
I don't know if it is legal. But if it is, I wish I would have thought of it. Great job thinking outside the box for fund raising.
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Re: Bumpers On Sale for $50 only! FROM TEAM 2070
Thanks man! Our team needs the money! haha
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Re: Bumpers On Sale for $50 only! FROM TEAM 2070
To qualify as a vendor they have to have a registered business with a Federal Tax Identification number. It also must be completely separable from the team (individuals may overlap, but business and activities may not).
It is likely that neither of these hold true in this case. Full definition of a vendor including the above mentioned requirements can be found on page 6 of section 8 of the manual. |
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Re: Bumpers On Sale for $50 only! FROM TEAM 2070
This is crazy i wanna buy some right now in every color of the rainbow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok now seriously, all of you who are worried if this is legal or not, don't. It's legal until someone tells them it's not so as long as i'm concerned this shouldn't be a big deal. besides, who here really wants to make bumpers...just buy them ![]() |
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Re: Bumpers On Sale for $50 only! FROM TEAM 2070
I agree that this is an awesome idea for fundraising IF it is allowable by FIRST. There is always the team Q&A as a resource. Remember, if you sell other teams bumpers and they are deemed illegal, they are out $50 and have to somehow make some up at competition anyways. It's a great idea but the problems that you could bring to other teams would lead me to believe you should consult the FIRST Q&A before taking any orders.
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Re: Bumpers On Sale for $50 only! FROM TEAM 2070
hahaha wow I thought that was pretty funny
![]() if this is legal, all the power to you pretty good idea ![]() |
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Re: Bumpers On Sale for $50 only! FROM TEAM 2070
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These bumpers aren't COTS (definition of COTS), therefore, they are fabricated items. The problem comes up when you realize that the definition of fabricated item implies that the team builds it. As your team would probably not be counted as a sponsor, the teams who buy these bumpers would have to account for both materials and labor in their cost accounting. (cost accounting rules) |
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Re: Bumpers On Sale for $50 only! FROM TEAM 2070
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If you want to be sure whether it is legal or not, as usual ask the Q&A. My guess is the answer will be that if you meet all the qualifications of a vendor as outlined on page 6 of section 8 you're fine, otherwise it's probably not legal. EDITED: Rereading the relevant sections for a third time, it looks like this may be legal provided the teams receiving the bumpers account for materials and labor as Eric noted (the $50 may include this). As noted above I would go to the Q&A before taking any orders or have a plan if it is decided it is illegal. I don't think anyone here is making it a "big deal". In fact, we're trying to prevent it from being a big deal. EDIT: I've never noticed before when reading the fabricated items definition that fabricated items may be "conjured" into the final form used on the robot. Now I just need to find a sorcerer..... Last edited by Vikesrock : 11-02-2008 at 18:00. |
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Re: Bumpers On Sale for $50 only! FROM TEAM 2070
Anyone buying them could make whoever makes them honorary members.
As far as I know, there is nothing against a person being on 50 different teams. Outrageous as it may be, this may be a viable solution to this overly confused drama. Also, perhaps they sold them over eBay?Before I get a load of complaints, the above is my weird way of pointing out a loophole as a joke. I advice against anyone actually using this. Besides, the bumpers are not to hard to make. Just remember, it is easier to follow a rule then it is to find a way around it. |
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Re: Bumpers On Sale for $50 only! FROM TEAM 2070
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Re: Bumpers On Sale for $50 only! FROM TEAM 2070
One other qualification to be a vendor is to have sufficient production capacity to cover orders if several hundred teams decide to buy.
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