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Unread 16-02-2008, 10:57
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Way over 80 inches!!!

So yeah we are way over.

But we're way behind schedule and we can't really change anything to it.

But we made plan b just in case they tell us no.

Anyways my real question is that if we get disqualified during the gameplay (if our arms went passed the 80inch diameter rule), will we be given a second chance and lets say cut the arms off, and then still be able to play in the next match, or are we disqualified for the whole entire game completely?
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Re: Way over 80 inches!!!

You'll be called for it every time, but you'll also be allowed to try again the next match. They may suggest improvements, but because the 80 in rule is enforced on the field, the inspectors won't prevent you from playing because your robot can grow too large.

In the mean time, or over the fix-it windows, try to figure out a method (manual, electronic or mechanical) to limit the movement to something under 80 in.
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Re: Way over 80 inches!!!

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You'll be called for it every time, but you'll also be allowed to try again the next match. They may suggest improvements, but because the 80 in rule is enforced on the field, the inspectors won't prevent you from playing because your robot can grow too large.

In the mean time, or over the fix-it windows, try to figure out a method (manual, electronic or mechanical) to limit the movement to something under 80 in.
So we will be able to play with what we have now, but then once our robot exceed the limit during gameplay, they will tell us and deduct points? And we will be like warned and then we would have to basically re work on it if possible after a match?
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Re: Way over 80 inches!!!

The current interpretation of <R16> (the relevant rule) is that a violation may result in a yellow card, but not a 10-point penalty. (See here.) And repeated yellow cards can cause disqualification from a match (and therefore no points), according to <T07>.

You'll probably be warned first, but don't bet on that fact.
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Re: Way over 80 inches!!!

Yeah we were over the 80 in. rule r<16 but we cut down our arms to 79 1/2 so we barely make it under..so i would suggest brainstorming a reasonable way to lower below 80 in.
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Re: Way over 80 inches!!!

How are you way over? Can you post a photo of your robot in its "over" mode and see if anyone on CD can give you some easy / quick recommendations for limiting the over extension while keeping the intended functionality? Great minds lurk on Chief Delphi! And a whole bunch of helpful people too!
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Re: Way over 80 inches!!!

we almost had the same problem

if more than 1 item (I.E. 2 claws comingout to grab the ball) is used then only have one action performed at one time

okay if i had a claw, and bringing out both at the same time exceeds the 80in circle by 3 in, I bring out the left one, then the right one, so im never out of the 80 in circle at any given time.

The inspecters will tell the refs what to look for if they see that your bot can exceed the 80 in, but as long as the robot never does so, you cant be penalized.
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okay if i had a claw, and bringing out both at the same time exceeds the 80in circle by 3 in, I bring out the left one, then the right one, so im never out of the 80 in circle at any given time.

The inspecters will tell the refs what to look for if they see that your bot can exceed the 80 in, but as long as the robot never does so, you cant be penalized.
Would the claws ever be more than 80" from each other or any other part of the robot horizontally? If not, then you can run both at once.
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Re: Way over 80 inches!!!

i really hate this rule, our robot was done three days ago. Our bot looked like a beast but the rule severely affected our bot and we made drastic changes.
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Re: Way over 80 inches!!!

Well I figured a way to not be over and so I told our advisers. So we went to plan C and our strategy has changed.

We just decided to stop the fork from going horizontally because the forks, when extended, makes the whole arm go more than 20inch over the limit. YES THAT BIG!

So we decided to go with my idea to stop the fork vertically and putting the kill switch there.

We have one more day to finish the robot and practice driving it.

Panic panic panic!!!
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Re: Way over 80 inches!!!

Not sure what your programming resources is, but the last two years we have had programming limits for all of our positions, a little complicated with an arm/wrist combo, but your design might be simpler to do that.
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