Predictions: A cynical view of reality

[Brandon Holley]

Originally Posted by Joe Matt

just like stacking in 2004.

what is this stacking 2004 you speak of? i recall a game called stack attack played in 2003...

[Joe Matt]

Originally Posted by Brandon Holley

what is this stacking 2004 you speak of? i recall a game called stack attack played in 2003...

blast! it's changed to the right year, i was also thinking of the 2x ball in 2004 and probably had one of those ADD cross-confusion-information-exchange moment things

[JesseK]

My apologies for the tone of my post. Here it is again, a little wordier and friendlier.

There are no consistent ideal scenarios. There are flukes, lucky matchups and whatnot, but it's just not feasible to count on an ideal scenario. The original argument implies an ideal scenario. Shooters will never consistently have open field in front of them, making the time difference between them and lifters negligible (assuming equal drive trains & driver capabilities). It's like racing between stop lights: it doesn't matter if you do 50mph or 30mph between them, you still get a green light on the 2nd light at the same exact time.

It will be a strategist's alliance that wins Einstein. Shooters may score the most hurdling points, but it's doubtful they will cause the greatest score differential between one alliance and their opponents: it's simply too dynamic of a game.

Tit for tat, shooters have no inherent advantage in the finals as a single robot. Everything one alliance can do the opponents can probably do too. At least in 2007, we could strategically place rings or litter home zones to consistently aid the score differential in the future; this year it's all unpredictable & moment-by-moment by which point no 1 bot can steal the show.

Even hybrid mode will be unpredictable since 3 bots all have to make the same left turn at the end of the runway, and then pray their opponents aren't in their way on the other side. There will be no "consistent" hybrid modes after the 2nd line. We can probably count on each highly-engineered alliance to get 32 pts at the end of hybrid...but then again so can the opponents. The only advantage shooters have here is that with a massive amount of luck they might make it around to hurdle in hybrid before time runs out. This will hardly be enough to weed out every other style of bot before Einstein.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Joe Matt

It's like coming into a burger store and shouting "I LIKE CHICKEN MORE!" and leaving.

You've got that right. The arms are the chicken stores, the shooters are the burger stores, and we're all leaving our "home" store, going into the "other" store, and doing exactly what you say here, with the exception that it goes both ways (i.e., also going into a chicken store and yelling about burgers).

Come on now. Where's the sense in that? Especially when practice rounds start tomorrow? We'll find out who plays the game better soon enough. Let's let this thread die. It's served its purpose and has now been sidetracked.

[Kellen Hill]

We know it will be the alliance with the best strategy that wins most of the time, but this is about the single robot out there that will win the most. Stop talking about the best alliance and talk about the best robot. You say shooters can have robots in front of them but so can arms in the exact same way. Nobody has an advantage in that situation. And I most certainly would not want to be the bot in front of any shooter. I am sure several robots will be tipped over or demolished in this manner.

[AdamHeard]

Arms just aren't going to work, don't bother attempting any sort of defense on them or anything; they've got no chance anyway

Hmmm, maybe even put in your 2nd or 3rd string drivers for a match against an arm bot

[T3_1565]

Originally Posted by AdamHeard

Arms just aren't going to work, don't bother attempting any sort of defense on them or anything; they've got no chance anyway

Hmmm, maybe even put in your 2nd or 3rd string drivers for a match against an arm bot

lmao.... I hope your kidding

[ShaneP]

Originally Posted by T3_1565

lmao.... I hope your kidding

Hence the winks...

[JesseK]

Originally Posted by hill

We know it will be the alliance with the best strategy that wins most of the time, but this is about the single robot out there that will win the most. Stop talking about the best alliance and talk about the best robot.

This pretty much says there is no "best" robot. There will never be a 1 vs 1 in an actual elim. match and you've just stated that it takes an alliance to win instead of a single bot. This whole point is pretty pointless at this point.

[Tom Bottiglieri]

Arms are terrible.
Shooters are terrible.
Racers are terrible.

This is the only bot that can win this year.

[JaneYoung]

Originally Posted by Tom Bottiglieri

Arms are terrible.
Shooters are terrible.
Racers are terrible.

This is the only bot that can win this year.

Tom,
you are just terrible.

[GaryVoshol]

Originally Posted by Tom Bottiglieri

Arms are terrible.
Shooters are terrible.
Racers are terrible.

This is the only bot that can win this year.

That's got arms. And several protuberances that look like they could burst a trackball in no time. Can't win the game if you're always DQ'd.

[Joe Matt]

Originally Posted by Tom Bottiglieri

Arms are terrible.
Shooters are terrible.
Racers are terrible.

This is the only bot that can win this year.

RTFM! its liek over the wate limmit and to big!

[AdamHeard]

Originally Posted by GaryVoshol

That's got arms. And several protuberances that look like they could burst a trackball in no time. Can't win the game if you're always DQ'd.

It may have arms, but if is more dragonzordlike and as such doesn't fall into the arm category.

Also, have you ever tried to DQ a dragon?

[JaneYoung]

Originally Posted by AdamHeard

Also, have you ever tried to DQ a dragon?

If you did, you would probably get flamed.

(sorry, I could not resist, I'll behave.)