Lots of crossing the plane

[bigbeezy]

Is it just me or does Arizona have an extremely high number of crossing the plane penalties. One alliance alone had 50 pts in penalties. Are the ref's calling a lot harder than at other regionals? I mean yes, every regional is calling these penalties but on average there are 20 pts in penalties for each match. Kind of ridiculous when an alliance wins when they are down 1v3 and entirely due to penalties.

[Jherbie53]

It's been like that everywhere. It's not unusual to see team with 20-30 points in penalties.

[MikeJ675]

I think part of the problem is the penalties (at least at FLR) have been if even the smallest percentage of a robot crosses back over the line. I've seen a lot of penalties where a team will just barely cross a line and have to back up to get around a stopped bot and they get a penalty for it.

It's probably too late to fix it, but it probably should have been a penalty to completely go back over a line, as opposed to having a small portion of your bot cross the line.

I've even seen penalties where a team veers off into the central rail during autonomous and has a small corner of their bot cross the line when they get stuck on the central rail.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by MikeJ675

I think part of the problem is the penalties (at least at FLR) have been if even the smallest percentage of a robot crosses back over the line. I've seen a lot of penalties where a team will just barely cross a line and have to back up to get around a stopped bot and they get a penalty for it.

It's probably too late to fix it, but it probably should have been a penalty to completely go back over a line, as opposed to having a small portion of your bot cross the line.

I've even seen penalties where a team veers off into the central rail during autonomous and has a small corner of their bot cross the line when they get stuck on the central rail.

How about reading Update 15? If there's a stopped robot, and you can't get around them without penalty, signal to pass. They have 6 seconds to clear. If they don't, they get a penalty.

Oh, and Q&A already covered the hybrid veer. It's a penalty, and has been since at least mid-build.

[MikeJ675]

Originally Posted by EricH

How about reading Update 15? If there's a stopped robot, and you can't get around them without penalty, signal to pass. They have 6 seconds to clear. If they don't, they get a penalty.

Oh, and Q&A already covered the hybrid veer. It's a penalty, and has been since at least mid-build.

I was discussing parts of the rules that I didn't like, not saying that the refs were making bad calls.

[Jimmy Cao]

They're just calling the penalties when they incur. I dont think they're making false calls, but they might be being very picky about it, but that's part of the game.

I expect to see the # of these calls go down over time.

[SpaceOsc]

Arizona Regional Match 22

1828, 2134, 1633 [16] vs 2397, 207, 1515 [0]
Blue Alliance had -130 in penalties

food for thought

[Mark Pierce]

The penalty I was hearing a lot in AZ that we didn't see in St. Louis is the interference inside the bumper zone. These seem less in what little I've seen since their lunch, but there were quite a few earlier in the day.

For the most part it looks like scores are going up. This game sure has a learning curve.

[bigbeezy]

ya the scores are slowly giving up as teams get used to where the lines are as compaired to their robot. this year kind of reminds me of 2005 when if you were touching a triangle by a millimeter and an opponent brushed against you they got a penalty. not much you can do but get used to it and try your best to aviod the lines.