Intentionally blocking traffic in Hybrid

[Qbranch]

Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman

Letting an inexperienced team unleash an untested hybrid mode on the field at a qualifying match is a haphazard and careless exercise, in my opinion.

Hey, you never know, they might give you a push!

You are right that untested autonomous modes are a potentially dangerous situation, but, well, even tested ones are. (See this shining example of what happens when one of your encoders is just chilling rattling around in you're robots belley pan instead of being coupled to a shaft.)

48: You guys are running a timed autonomous? Wow you all must have some pretty consistent batteries!

-q

[Travis Hoffman]

Originally Posted by Qbranch

Hey, you never know, they might give you a push!

You are right that untested autonomous modes are a potentially dangerous situation, but, well, even tested ones are. (See this shining example of what happens when one of your encoders is just chilling rattling around in you're robots belley pan instead of being coupled to a shaft.)

48: You guys are running a timed autonomous? Wow you all must have some pretty consistent batteries!

-q

See? All that "newfangled" technology just gits ye young whippersnappers in trouble, I reckon.

The wedged (wait, I better change that to "angled" before some misinformed person complains ) front end does wonders for correcting various navigational errors . Most of the time.....we did go clockwise once due to a collision from an errant partner.

One day we may hook up the Super Shifter encoders. One day....

[T3_1565]

ours is timed too. and we can get three lines consistently yay for no sensors!!

[Qbranch]

Originally Posted by Travis Hoffman

One day we may hook up the Super Shifter encoders. One day....

Don't bother. At least for our shifters, there was too much runout in the shaft for the open frame encoders to work consistently, so we came up with a more robust replacement setup.

-q

[GaryVoshol]

At the Kettering Rookie tournament, many teams would either not move at all, or would manage to move at least beyond the finish line and then get hung up down at the other end of the field (if they even attempted to make the turn). We did have a robot or two that managed 3 or 4 lines.

However, we had several robots that might have blocked Hybrid if this was a hard and fast rule. They managed to move away from the wall, but would stop short of the finish line - maybe they just didn't move far enough, or maybe they veered off to the side and tangled with the wall or lane divider. Either way, they fell into the category of, "The accidental creation of obstructions on the Track during Hybrid Period may be unavoidable and will not be penalized." (Q&A 1/24/08) No calls for hybrid blocking were made. As Update #15 stated, "We think there is enough distinction between the two alternatives that teams will understand the difference."

The GDC has given their interpretation of the matter. Can we decide to get on with it, live with it, and let this matter drop?

[smurfgirl]

Originally Posted by 65_Xero_Huskie

Did u see the tight spots 148 can get into?
No wonder they are the only undefeated team in FIRST right now.

We're undefeated this season... and so are other teams.

[brentmcjunkin]

This may not be in the right place but i think you should get pentilized if you see some one caught on the overpass and you are sending your robot signals and you hit the team and cause them to fall you should get pentalized and also if back up 5 inches or mabey less you still get pentalized i think there should be a little distance you should be able 2 back but like i said this is probobly in thee wrong place

[hillale]

Originally Posted by smurfgirl

We're undefeated this season... and so are other teams.

At the time of the post you quoted, I believe that 148 was the only team who was undefeated. Granted that several other teams hadn't played yet due to later regionals.

[Fred Sayre]

2 quick things to keep in mind:

1st, G40 clearly states that a robot is not IMPEDING if there is a clear “passing lane” around the ROBOT. This means that if there is room to drive around, the robot is not by definition, impeding. (if this was said before, I apologize - this is a long post, but people still refer to the drive forward 3' robot as necessarily impeding).

2nd, Our auto has a "Pause" function. I highly recommend it for these teams getting so many lines. If your robot is driving at extremely high speeds around the track and you do not have direct control I would say that it is negligent to think it is not going to ram into something. I think some of the better teams are using pure auto and are not dependent on the IR, and if that is the case, add a safety stop to your functions to avoid these penalties!

Just because your code goes fast and its not your fault that people "get in your way" does not mean that you can absolve yourself of the responsibility of keeping in check a machine that will have high speed collisions under normal field conditions.

[cwood]

Originally Posted by Mike Harrison

Watch the hybrid in this match. With no changes to hybrid mode whatsoever and without using the IR controller 2 robots managed to dodge the parked robot that drove 3 feet. So if someone does something that hurts your strategy, revamp your own strategy rather than try and blame them for not "playing by the rules". This video proves that it isn't that hard.

Edit: make that 3 if you count the other team on their own alliance.

i agree completely team 1629 has a special line of code just incase we are hit in fact in one match we were accidentally blocked and unfortunatly broke the other robot since we hit them at 25 ft/s (breaking and omni wheel and knocking electronics loose sorry 1001) but after the hit our robot simply pushed them out of the way and continued to get another 2 lines before time expired its safe to say that was the last time we were blocked accidentally or otherwise.

[TheTIMeh]

As far as being blocked in hybrid mode I know how you feel, Speed Racer 1519s robot was blocked a few times at BTB because we could score up to 9 lines in hybrid giving us a good average for our scores of the day around 48-54 points a match.