hybrid rules are not quite stable..

[Racer26]

Originally Posted by GeeForce

The scoring staff are human. They may make errors. Sometimes it decides a match. However, it was stressed to us on multiple occasions that the scores are final and they do not adjust them.

And this is the bit that bothers me. If the scoring was done WRONG and there is irrefutable evidence to prove it (ie. a team member videotaped the match), they should rescind the incorrect score.

Also, for the first several matches of the day, NASA/VCU was not scoring any line except the alliances own finish line in hybrid mode. This to me was a much bigger issue, as it ran on for a number of matches before it was fixed.

Hybrid mode scoring will make or break many matches in this year's game, by design, and when the refs aren't scoring something so integral to the game correctly, I have a problem with it.

[Grant Cox]

Originally Posted by 1075guy

And this is the bit that bothers me. If the scoring was done WRONG and there is irrefutable evidence to prove it (ie. a team member videotaped the match), they should rescind the incorrect score.

While I may agree (we had video of both matches), it's not up to us to determine how FIRST runs their competitions.

[Racer26]

Originally Posted by GeeForce

While I may agree (we had video of both matches), it's not up to us to determine how FIRST runs their competitions.

This is where you and I differ, I feel that we SHOULD be the ones to determine how FIRST runs the competitions. FIRST is not some guys in NH, FIRST is US, the teams that compete.

[Stu Bloom]

Originally Posted by 1075guy

This is where you and I differ, I feel that we SHOULD be the ones to determine how FIRST runs the competitions. FIRST is not some guys in NH, FIRST is US, the teams that compete.

Actually I think you guys differ in many many Many MANY more ways than that ...


my humblest apologies to CD for the OT remark ...

[maxican]

there was a match that we were not counted in the autonomous at all, while are other alliance partners were counted. again this was probably a human error by not backing up the computer system correctly. we contested the match but it was finalized before we could do any thing.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by 1075guy

If the scoring was done WRONG and there is irrefutable evidence to prove it (ie. a team member videotaped the match), ...

Would you use the same video to prove that your opponent won?

Also, please see the thread on instant replay from a few years ago. I believe this very situation was brought up.

If the hybrid mode (or any other part of the game) is being scored incorrectly, then they need to find out why and fix it. That is all I have to say on this.

[Racer26]

Originally Posted by EricH

Would you use the same video to prove that your opponent won?

That depends on a few things A) if I noticed they scored the opposing alliance incorrectly (unlikely as I'd be watching my own score) B) The opposing alliance noticed, and asked if we'd taken video, I would let them view, and if they were correct, absolutely.

[johnr]

There seems to be a problem. What i would like to know is how teams are handling this? Do the robocoach or driver coach keep track of your score. do you have someone in stands? does he signal you if score is right? aren't only student members of drive team allowed to talk to head ref? would like to know if we need to set up sub group out of scouting team. thanks.

[Aren_Hill]

In 2006 Division Galileo our team was breezing through qualification matches #1 seed, then one match came and if you watched the match it was quite obvious our alliance put in more balls than the other alliance, we questioned the ref and the cool part is the other alliance that "won" also questioned it. We found out that the ref's had counted all of the 3 point shots as 1 point shots and 1 pointers as 3 pointers. we didn't have anybody dumping...

First replayed that match at the end of qualifiers on saturday, we won and were undefeated #1 seed. The part about this i like is the fact the ref did something about it and the mistake was corrected in a fashion.